Canadian bishops: no change in policy on Communion for divorced/remarried

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Do you know that percentage of people?
What do you think? If a farmer has a hundred beasts and one goes missing won’t he go and find it? Is 1% too low?

Regardless of the percentage still no-one in this debate on AL, no priest or bishop is messing with those words of Jesus from what I can see.
 
What do you think? If a farmer has a hundred beasts and one goes missing won’t he go and find it? Is 1% too low?
That is one of my favorite parables!

I’m not sure what to say about the priests I experienced around me…those that let go.
Getting to heaven isn’t as easy as gliding on roller skates. Some seem to forget that.
 
Interesting how this seems to directly contradict the Argentinian bishops’ document that states that divorced and remarried may receive communion (without living as brother and sister) in certain situations. These are strange times in the Church when there is so much confusion about.
There seems to be confusion in Argentinia, but no more than usual in Alberta. If one is in Mortal sin one should not present themselves for communion.

No Confusion!
 
Canadian, huh.

I’m pleasantly surprised (although, being Alberta and Northwest Territories, I guess I can’t be TOO surprised).

Now if only they issue that retraction to the Winnipeg Statement…
hopefully some day!
 
A more accurate headline should read “Some Canadian bishops…” or “A small number Canadian bishops”

Alberta and the Territories are, population-wise, only 11% of the total population of Canada, and less than 7% of the population of nominal Catholics in Canada.

Quebec on the other hand, is roughly 25% of Canada’s total population, and 45% of the nation’s nominal Catholics. Alberta is 3 archdioceses/dioceses, and Quebec is 12 archdioceses/dioceses.

It will be interesting to see Quebec bishops’ take on AL.
I doubt mosst Quebecers would enven care what the chuch is saying to them. QUebec was a Catholic bastion decades ago but pretty much in name only now. My guess is that just as many actual church going Catholics in Alberta as in Quebec
 
There seems to be confusion in Argentinia, but no more than usual in Alberta. If one is in Mortal sin one should not present themselves for communion.

No Confusion!
Why do you believe all sins of objective grave matter (recognisable by “the eyes”) by that reason alone must be actual “mortal sins” (which cannot be recognised by the eyes)?

Hence the problem is not Canon 916 but Canon 915.
The judging of what is “manifest grave sin” seems similar to the difficulty of judging what putative marriages actually are so.

Thus the issue is quite involved and difficult, lots of room for confusion by those who are not trained judges and who do not see the case evidence seen by Tribunals or Accompanying Priests.

But we already knew that from when Jesus said to the disciple who asked of the destiny of St John and who was basically told, mind your own business only.
 
…Thus the issue is quite involved and difficult, lots of room for confusion by those who are not trained judges and who do not see the case evidence seen by Tribunals or Accompanying Priests…
Which begs the question…we know what tribunals are deciding, but what are accompanying priests deciding (in respect of irregulars)? Are they deciding anything about the validity of the first marriage? I doubt it. After all, should the partner of an irregular die, could the remaining partner (the one previously married), ever be permitted to remarry in the Church without a declaration of annulment of their original (first) marriage from a tribunal? I doubt it.
 
Which begs the question…we know what tribunals are deciding, but what are accompanying priests deciding (in respect of irregulars)? Are they deciding anything about the validity of the first marriage? I doubt it. After all, should the partner of an irregular die, could the remaining partner (the one previously married), ever be permitted to remarry in the Church without a declaration of annulment of their original (first) marriage from a tribunal? I doubt it.
CAF was plagued with these questions 5 months ago, I thought we were over them.
I believe most realise they are independent jurisdictions, one decides on the status of a marriage the other decides on access to Communion (amongst other pastoral considerations). Obviously tribunal conclusions (even if inconclusions) will have bearing on the PPs decisions, as will a whole range of other pastoral considerations as mentioned in AL.
 
CAF was plagued with these questions 5 months ago, I thought we were over them.
I believe most realise they are independent jurisdictions, one decides on the status of a marriage the other decides on access to Communion (amongst other pastoral considerations). Obviously tribunal conclusions (even if inconclusions) will have bearing on the PPs decisions, as will a whole range of other pastoral considerations as mentioned in AL.
Perhaps we are past them (as opposed to “over” them), but there were no satisfactory answers (explanation of the departure from prior practice requiring a commitment (or attempt) to live as brother and sister), just as there is no apparent means of reconciling the differing positions of groups of bishops as outlined on this thread.
 
Perhaps we are past them (as opposed to “over” them), but there were no satisfactory answers (explanation of the departure from prior practice requiring a commitment (or attempt) to live as brother and sister), just as there is no apparent means of reconciling the differing positions of groups of bishops as outlined on this thread.
In such circumstances, it is always best (and most prudent) to follow what the Church has taught consistently on the subjects of Matrimony and the Eucharist. Anything else would be (in my opinion, but I’m not the only one who thinks this way) making a dangerous gamble on one’s chances of salvation.
 
In such circumstances, it is always best (and most prudent) to follow what the Church has taught consistently on the subjects of Matrimony and the Eucharist. Anything else would be (in my opinion, but I’m not the only one who thinks this way) making a dangerous gamble on one’s chances of salvation.
It seems to me the same would hold true in those case where a Marriage Tribunal has issued a formal Decree of Nullity.
 
In such circumstances, it is always best (and most prudent) to follow what the Church has taught consistently on the subjects of Matrimony and the Eucharist. Anything else would be (in my opinion, but I’m not the only one who thinks this way) making a dangerous gamble on one’s chances of salvation.
I would suggest, unless one has formed a certain conscience after much wise counsel and soul searching, that we do not follow our own doubtful lay theological lights as to what “doctrinal truth” is in complicated situations but simply act within the limits of obedience set out by our local Ordinary or PP.

Aquinas put this difficult choice between our alleged understanding of doctrine and obedience to the Vicar of Christ well when he affirmed that the truth of our faith terminates not in loyalty to impersonal creeds but a living Person.
 
That is a somewhat more dicey matter. 😉
It really is. It has always seemed to me that a person is ultimately responsible for his/her own salvation, and that this is the reason for the teaching concerning the primacy of conscience.
 
Aquinas put this difficult choice between our alleged understanding of doctrine and obedience to the Vicar of Christ well when he affirmed that the truth of our faith terminates not in loyalty to impersonal creeds but a living Person.
Even without reading the quotation I would guess the “living person” St. Thomas was referring to was Christ.

It is loyalty to him that prevents us from disobeying him just cause we’ve determined “the pope says so”. It is loyalty to him that prevents us from agreeing that we should say doctrine has not changed but our practice need no longer accord to it, that we can believe Jesus but we don’t necessarily have to submit our lives to him. Now THAT would be “loyalty to impersonal creeds” and not to the person whom we claim to believe is Lord.
 
Even without reading the quotation I would guess the “living person” St. Thomas was referring to was Christ.

It is loyalty to him that prevents us from disobeying him just cause we’ve determined “the pope says so”. It is loyalty to him that prevents us from agreeing that we should say doctrine has not changed but our practice need no longer accord to it, that we can believe Jesus but we don’t necessarily have to submit our lives to him. Now THAT would be “loyalty to impersonal creeds” and not to the person whom we claim to believe is Lord.
Ginny I will not be responding to your comments in my regard due to the quality of the attitude and Catechesis of your recent posts as demonstrated here:
 
It really is. It has always seemed to me that a person is ultimately responsible for his/her own salvation, and that this is the reason for the teaching concerning the primacy of conscience.
It is really not much more complicated than “Go and sin no more.”

And if you’re doubtful that something is a sin*, then it’s best to avoid it entirely, as St. Paul reminds us in his Epistle to the Romans.

** The exception being, of course, if one suffers from OCD or scrupulosity, where confronting such fears may be therapeutic. But that’s not very relevant to the topic at hand.*
 
Even without reading the quotation I would guess the “living person” St. Thomas was referring to was Christ.
Pope Saint John Paul II addressed the underlying matter very well when he wrote, after the excommunication of Marcel Lefebvre and the others
But especially contradictory is a notion of Tradition which opposes the universal Magisterium of the Church possessed by the Bishop of Rome and the Body of Bishops.* It is impossible to remain faithful to the Tradition while breaking the ecclesial bond with him to whom, in the person of the Apostle Peter, Christ himself entrusted the ministry of unity in his Church**.*
 
Pope Saint John Paul II addressed the underlying matter very well when he wrote, after the excommunication of Marcel Lefebvre and the others
But especially contradictory is a notion of Tradition which opposes the universal Magisterium of the Church possessed by the Bishop of Rome and the Body of Bishops.* It is impossible to remain faithful to the Tradition while breaking the ecclesial bond with him to whom, in the person of the Apostle Peter, Christ himself entrusted the ministry of unity in his Church***.
Who has “broken the ecclesial bond” with the pope? Don’t you think we are obedient to the pope only because we are loyal to Christ? Feel free to do as you please but I know MY faith in the church rests on my conviction that it is the body OF CHRIST, not the other way around. If I did not have my personal faith in Jesus, I wouldn’t care two cents what the Catholic Church had to say on any matter under the sun.
 
Ginny I will not be responding to your comments in my regard due to the quality of the attitude and Catechesis of your recent posts as demonstrated here:
That’s Ok (and much appreciated!👍) For my part, I will keep responding to anything anyone says that I think needs responding for the sake of readers.
 
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