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anamchara
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I was too stupid to follow along when I first starting going to Mass. I’d say it’s great for converts
or anyone just coming back to the Church.
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or anyone just coming back to the Church.
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Karin
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isnt that what the Missal was/is for??I was too stupid to follow along when I first starting going to Mass. I’d say it’s great for converts
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anamchara
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To be honest Karin, the Missal was intimating when I first starting going. I couldn’t figure where the heck I was
the Mass moves along without you so if they start singing and standing, I couldn’t be sitting and struggling to find my place :whacky:
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Karin
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Ok…I thought it was pretty simple and straightforward…this coming from a convert by the way…To be honest Karin, the Missal was intimating when I first starting going. I couldn’t figure where the heck I was
maybe along with the Missals we should hand these out
http://www.catholicshopper.com/products/media/DN_6509_6508.jpg
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netmilsmom
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My hubby is a One year convert. He carries his missal in his PDA.I was too stupid to follow along when I first starting going to Mass. I’d say it’s great for converts
But if you couldn’t follow the Holy Mass in a Missal, that is the fault of your RCIA. Those coming back to the church probably grew up with the three main parts. If we stopped adding all the innovations, and had a straight Holy Mass, maybe we wouldn’t need a conductor at the front.
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anamchara
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My husband grew up Catholic and still fumbled through a bit but he did figure out the Missal much quicker then I did. Most of it all came back to him. Actually net, I wasn’t in RCIA at that time, just attending. I did try and follow through but it would jump from page like 26 back to some other page and it wasn’t until someone hit me over the head and pointed out that it actually tells you this at the bottom of the page! duh.
A really nice man in my RCIA class showed me how to follow along.I fully admit NOT being a quick study, it’s mainly impatience
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anamchara
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Thats great for you Karin, perhaps a tiny tots guide might have been of help, who knows.Ok…I thought it was pretty simple and straightforward…this coming from a convert by the way…
maybe along with the Missals we should hand these out
http://www.catholicshopper.com/products/media/DN_6509_6508.jpg
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Karin
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I only suggest it becuase it is simplier to follow than perhaps the Missal was …Thats great for you Karin, perhaps a tiny tots guide might have been of help, who knows.
and it is not a “tiny tots” book…my eldest got a copy for his 1st Holy Communion
(he was 8y/o)
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anamchara
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I thought you were joking and making fun of me so I just called it a tiny tots. I realize what it is thoughI only suggest it becuase it is simplier to follow than perhaps the Missal was …
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Karin
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nope not joking…well maybe a littleI thought you were joking and making fun of me so I just called it a tiny tots. I realize what it is though
…but sometimes us BIG BOYS & GIRLS relate better to LITTLE TOT things
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pablo_rafael
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I must say that I have never heard of anyone NOT wanting a cantor. It is a new thought to me.
I go to mass at two churches. The one in my hometown (pop. 350) is a tiny little church with a guitarist/cantor. When she is there, the music is OK. When she is gone, it is awful. Then the music is a detriment to worship and not a help.
I am a musician at a larger church in a neighboring town. We generally have two cantors and one - four musicians.
Our music director constantly stresses that we are there to lead the congregation in worship, not to perform. I find that the better the music is, the better the congregation sings.
We have an Spanish mass that has a band. They are very good and are certainly performers. They don’t even announce or post hymn numbers; if you want to sing, you have to look them up in the index. It does discourage congregational participation.
Being a recent convert I must say that I had very little trouble following the mass at first. The main parts are always the same. I came from the Lutheran church so the jump over to the Catholic liturgy wasn’t a very big one; the two are very much alike.
Tu Amigo, Pablo
I go to mass at two churches. The one in my hometown (pop. 350) is a tiny little church with a guitarist/cantor. When she is there, the music is OK. When she is gone, it is awful. Then the music is a detriment to worship and not a help.
I am a musician at a larger church in a neighboring town. We generally have two cantors and one - four musicians.
Our music director constantly stresses that we are there to lead the congregation in worship, not to perform. I find that the better the music is, the better the congregation sings.
We have an Spanish mass that has a band. They are very good and are certainly performers. They don’t even announce or post hymn numbers; if you want to sing, you have to look them up in the index. It does discourage congregational participation.
Being a recent convert I must say that I had very little trouble following the mass at first. The main parts are always the same. I came from the Lutheran church so the jump over to the Catholic liturgy wasn’t a very big one; the two are very much alike.
Tu Amigo, Pablo
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MarthaMartha
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I’ve said this before on another thread – When I started cantoring, I asked the woman who trained me if there was any additional preparation, aside from practicing the music, I could be doing. After she said “Pray,” she said, “Remember, it’s not about you.” I may also have said on a thread that I feel we need to have just enough ego to want to do a good job (it’s only good stewardship for the Lord’s gift that got us into the ministry), but not so much ego that it becomes “about us.”
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netmilsmom
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God Love her and YOU!
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netmilsmom
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I went over the Holy Mass with my hubby and that missal from my First Communicant.I only suggest it becuase it is simplier to follow than perhaps the Missal was …
I do also think that if someone is having problems with the Missal and following, ask Father if you can take one home and follow an EWTN Holy Mass.
Only once a week may not cut it.
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netmilsmom
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I was under the impression that it is during diocesan cantor training sessions that cantors learn to raise their arm(s) to bring in the congregation while singing. Those that don’t like it should complain to the bishop, not to the parish cantor.
And where do you people attend Mass that you have missals to follow along? I realize we could all bring our own from home… My parish only supplies a song book that has a few Mass parts. It wouldn’t help anybody to know where to come in during the singing. At least it’s not of any use to those of us in the choir.
I wish our priest would sing. I’m told he has a nice singing voice but I’ve never heard it except for the few solemnities where he is required to chant some part.
Our previous pastor sang and I’m convinced it was why the congregation also sang along. Alas, at that time our church had a serious sound delay problem and our priest’s amplified voice would be as much as a full second behind the choir. This could be terribly confusing to both choir and congregation. Actually, the cantor was often not keeping up with the choir (you can’t see the choir director from the cantor stand) until we had a speaker set up next to the cantor stand.
And where do you people attend Mass that you have missals to follow along? I realize we could all bring our own from home… My parish only supplies a song book that has a few Mass parts. It wouldn’t help anybody to know where to come in during the singing. At least it’s not of any use to those of us in the choir.
I wish our priest would sing. I’m told he has a nice singing voice but I’ve never heard it except for the few solemnities where he is required to chant some part.
Our previous pastor sang and I’m convinced it was why the congregation also sang along. Alas, at that time our church had a serious sound delay problem and our priest’s amplified voice would be as much as a full second behind the choir. This could be terribly confusing to both choir and congregation. Actually, the cantor was often not keeping up with the choir (you can’t see the choir director from the cantor stand) until we had a speaker set up next to the cantor stand.
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Karin
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well I attend Church in NJ …all our pews have them
I always thought this was the NORM in CHurchs…to have Missals…is it not?
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netmilsmom
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Maybe in your diocese, but the only place I have seen this in person is while visiting FL
I’m thinking that your parish should stop paying the Cantor and buy some Missals
Perhaps the reason why the Priest does not sing is because there is a Cantor.
We attend 9:30am Holy Mass. There is a Cantor and every fourth Sunday, our children’s choir. The Priest does not sing.
At the 6:30 Holy Mass where my hubby is an Usher, no choir, no cantor. The Priest chants and by that cue, the organist plays.
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anamchara
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Well getting back to the lifting hand thing, I still say it is helpful for two reasons. First of all, for those who are not musically inclined, it gives them a visual cue and also saves them from the embarrasment of coming in at the wrong time “for a solo”. Secondly, and even more important, it allows the congregants to get their face out of the Missal and listen to the words as the cantor sings them and simply join in their easy memorized response. This removes the obstacle(s) of “reading along” with all the distractions of noting if the cantor got each word just so. Rather, it allows for a communal response of a sung prayer with each participant adding his/her voice and attention fully. This not only embraces “horizontal” worship by building a communal voice but also vertical worship by removing impediments to the worshiper and the prayerful act of singing the psalm.
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