Cardinal asks state to help parochial schools

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Cardinal asks state to help parochials

Blames teachers unions for blocking tax breaks
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		 			 				By  				TOM PRECIOUS 				 				
		 			News Albany Bureau
3/9/2005
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			 				 				  				 				    ALBANY - The Catholic Church's spiritual leader in New York went on the offensive against public school teachers unions Tuesday, charging they are chiefly to blame for stopping tax breaks to parents of religious school students.  Dioceses across the state are closing schools because parents are unable to afford the dual costs of tuition for private education and public school property taxes, said Cardinal Edward M. Egan, archbishop of New York, who railed against "powerful special interest groups . . . trying to maintain the status quo" when it comes to school financing.
Egan and other Catholic leaders said religious schools should be in line for financial help as part of the current debate at the Capitol over how much extra aid the state should provide for public schools to comply with a landmark court order. The church is pressing for legislation that would provide parents of children in religious schools with a tax credit of as much as $1,500 per child.
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I see a constitutional lawsuit.

The state mandates that parents give their children an education.

The state provides the schools for that education.

The state mandates that those schools are prohibited from incorporating religion into the education of the children.

Parents who think incorporating religious beliefs into the education of their children is important in the development of the whole person are forced to send their children to schools that are prohibited from providing that whole education.

The state has placed an undo burden on all parents who think that religion plays an important roll in the whole education of their children. Parents either have to send their children to a religious school to get a whole education, at greater financial taxation to the parents than to other parents in the same governmental jurisdiction, or send their children to the state schools, because of a lack of household money, where religion will not be incorporated into the children’s education.

Therefore, it is unconstitutional for the state to establish mandates that require some parents to face either greater financial burdens in the education of their children, or subject risking their children to an educational system that prohibits providing a balanced education of the whole person.

Amendment I “…or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech.”

Amendment XIV “No state shall…enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges…of citizens of the United States; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Amendment XXIV “The right of citizens of the United States to vote…shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
 
jim orr:
I see a constitutional lawsuit.

The state mandates that parents give their children an education.

The state provides the schools for that education.

The state mandates that those schools are prohibited from incorporating religion into the education of the children.

Parents who think incorporating religious beliefs into the education of their children is important in the development of the whole person are forced to send their children to schools that are prohibited from providing that whole education.

The state has placed an undo burden on all parents who think that religion plays an important roll in the whole education of their children. Parents either have to send their children to a religious school to get a whole education, at greater financial taxation to the parents than to other parents in the same governmental jurisdiction, or send their children to the state schools, because of a lack of household money, where religion will not be incorporated into the children’s education.

Therefore, it is unconstitutional for the state to establish mandates that require some parents to face either greater financial burdens in the education of their children, or subject risking their children to an educational system that prohibits providing a balanced education of the whole person.

Amendment I “…or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech.”

Amendment XIV “No state shall…enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges…of citizens of the United States; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Amendment XXIV “The right of citizens of the United States to vote…shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
Wow. I never followed that train of logic before, but I think it’s good. I’m a radical in that I think that the public school system concept itself undermines education (once you give someone something for free, he thinks it’s worth nothing), and I think it should be eliminated.

A couple of asides:

I pay almost as much in Houston school taxes as the tuition for 2 children at my Catholic school.

The state of Louisiana for decades has subsidized the Catholic schools in the form of busing and school lunches. When I was at Catholic school there in the 70’s we rode to school on the public school bus and a hot lunch was 25 cents.
 
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StJeanneDArc:
I think that the public school system concept itself undermines education (once you give someone something for free, he thinks it’s worth nothing), and I think it should be eliminated.
What about “free” fire and police protection? Do we undervalue those services because we get them “for free”?

And would you charge tuition at the public schools in place of funding for them as now?
 
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Richardols:
What about “free” fire and police protection? Do we undervalue those services because we get them “for free”?

And would you charge tuition at the public schools in place of funding for them as now?
If they can’t see their way to vouchers, maybe tuition would be a great idea.
 
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Richardols:
What about “free” fire and police protection? Do we undervalue those services because we get them “for free”?
Yes, we do undervalue therm, although not when they are there in the emergencies when we need them. Besides, the analogy to the public schools is faulty.
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Richardols:
And would you charge tuition at the public schools in place of funding for them as now?
Actually, I would like to see government-run schools eliminated. Any time the state steps in to fulfill the duty of the parents, it undermines the role of the parents as the primary educators of their children.
 
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StJeanneDArc:
the analogy to the public schools is faulty.
How?
Actually, I would like to see government-run schools eliminated. Any time the state steps in to fulfill the duty of the parents, it undermines the role of the parents as the primary educators of their children.
You would have universal homeschooling? Are all parents capable of this? Can they afford the luxury of homeschooling?
 
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Richardols:
How?

You would have universal homeschooling? Are all parents capable of this? Can they afford the luxury of homeschooling?
Quite a few are now qualified. Eliminating the school tax burden may allow many to do it.
 
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buffalo:
Quite a few are now qualified. Eliminating the school tax burden may allow many to do it.
Fine. And what of the children of those unqualified to teach? Or of those with no religious affiliation without parochial schools?
 
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StJeanneDArc:
Actually, I would like to see government-run schools eliminated. Any time the state steps in to fulfill the duty of the parents, it undermines the role of the parents as the primary educators of their children.
Your position is understandable – but while running for Congress in the First District of Arkansas, I became intimately familiar with some of the worst education problems in the nation – we have counties in Arkansas (Lee and Phillips) with adult illiteracy rates over 40%.

Now we COULD solve that problem through charity – Catholic schools could be expanded. But they won’t – I’ve been down that road.

My proposal for the BEST solution is the “Three Paper Solution.”

This paper addresses the issue of education in America. It is based on four principles:
  • We, the public, should pay for the education of each child in the nation.
  • If we pay for a child’s education, the child should get an education – one commensurate with the amount we pay (which is to say, a world-class education).
  • There should be no disparity among children, either in what we pay, or the quality education they receive.
  • America works best when we have free and open competition among suppliers – and that applies to suppliers of education as much as to any other thing.
 
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Richardols:
Fine. And what of the children of those unqualified to teach? Or of those with no religious affiliation without parochial schools?
Have them go to a public school.

2 Points:
  1. Competition in the education system is good.
  2. I want to be able to send my “tuition/tax money” where I wish.
 
The Three Paper Solution, Part 2

The Three-Paper Solution is a framework for applying these four principles. In practice, it is quite simple – first of all, get three sheets of blank paper:

On the first sheet: write the standards which you feel every school should meet. If you want a school to serve a hot lunch, write it down, and set standards so we can determine if the school is meeting the requirement. Similarly, if you want integrated schools, write standards for integration. Continue until you feel you have described all the standards a publicly-funded school should meet.

When writing, remember – all schools which receive public funds will have to meet your requirements, not just “public schools” and not just “private schools receiving public funds.” Schools which cannot meet your standards – whether public or private – will not be eligible to receive public funding. Also remember – these will be the only public funds the school receives.

On the second sheet: write the standards which you feel every student should meet. Specify how well children should read at the end of each grade. Set standards for electives as well as mandatory subjects – for example, if a school has a course in carpentry or automotive repair, set standards for courses in those subjects.

Write your standards as objective, measurable standards. Tell what the students must do to prove the standards have been met.

On the third sheet: list those things for which you are willing to pay extra and set a price tag beside them.

How it works: any agency or business can open a school and receive ninety percent of the per-pupil share of the state’s educational expenditures for each pupil the school attracts. This is the only source of public funding any school will receive; public, private non-profit, or private for-profit.

But won’t that drive the public schools out of business?

Only if you assume the public schools cannot compete in an open market – a market in which the same standards are applied to all schools. Schools which cannot attract enough children will go out of business – and they should go out of business. Any school – public, private non-profit, or private for-profit, which can attract enough children will have enough funding to continue operations.

Won’t poor children suffer?

No. Poor children will be better off under this plan than under the present “public school” system, because they will be able to attend any school they wish,. just as the children of more affluent parents can.

What about children trapped in a declining school as other children leave?

No one will be “trapped” in a declining school. All children will have the same opportunity to move. Children whose parents do not move them at first can be moved later, at any time – because their parents will have the same funding the other children’s parents had.

Would parents be allowed to supplement the public funds?

Of course! Look at it this way – I open a school that gets $5,000 of public funds per child (the national average is closer to $6,600, but we’ll use $5,000 in this example), and the parents kick in an extra $10,000 per child. I successfully recruit nine affluent children. But in your First Sheet of paper, you said that to receive public funds I have to have at least 10% poor minority enrollment. So now I have to recruit a poor minority child, or lose $45,000 in public funding.

How do I do that if the poor parents can’t afford to pay the extra $10,000?

I give the child a $10,000 scholarship, of course – and the public funds kick in another $5,000 for that child. So for a $10,000 scholarship, I get $50,000 in public funds.

Who loses?

Not me – I qualify for $50,000 in public funds in return for a $10,000 scholarship.

Not the public – they’re paying $5,000 per child, just as they would at any other school.

Not the students – they’re attending a first-class school (and if it weren’t first class, their parents wouldn’t be willing to kick in an extra $10,000 per pupil).

Not the poor minority students – they’re getting the same first-class education and making all the connections the children of the affluent are making, and it isn’t costing them a cent.

Nobody loses, everybody wins.

But wouldn’t the private schools “cherry pick” – take the best students and leave the problem students for the public schools?

Of course not! After all, you’re the one writing the rules. If you’re smart enough to figure they might do this, you’re also smart enough to write a standard to prevent them from doing it.
 
The Three Paper Solution, Part 3

But wouldn’t the private schools avoid ghetto areas?

That’s what your Third Sheet of paper is for – if private industry or non-profit organizations aren’t willing to open a school in a particular area for $5,000 per child, bid $5,100 – and keep bidding until you get a good school there. You have the money because you held back 10% of the funds, remember?

What about rural areas, or parents in areas where there are no alternative schools? How will these children get to school?

When the money accompanies the child, schools will be where they are needed – aren’t there gas stations and fast food joints wherever they are needed? In addition, there are many alternatives to the traditional method of schooling. A good example is the Arkansas Virtual School. This is now linked to the public school system, and currently offers a complete curriculum up thorough the eighth grade via the internet. This technology – already available throughout the state – will allow any child to attend a quality school.

But can it be done at the figures you use?

Absolutely! I have worked for a for-profit company as a training analyst, developer and program manager. I have costed out, bid on, and won contracts. In the commercial training industry, the “burden rate” – the cost of overhead, administration, benefits, profit, and so on – is about 100%. That means that for each dollar the company pays a professional (like myself) it must charge the customer two dollars to cover rent, salaries for administrative personnel, social security, benefits and the like, and still make a profit.

If we maintain one teacher for each 25-student classroom and assume $5,000 for each child (Arkansas currently spends about $6,200 per child), that teacher is generating $125,000 per year, and we can afford to pay the teacher about $62,500 a year in salary.

But in a competitive market, we can do innovative things. For example, instead of starting school once a year, we could start school every quarter. This would generate a one-third increase in efficiency, so now the teacher is generating a little over $165,000 a year.

We can do other things – for example, I mentioned the Arkansas Virtual School earlier. I have extensive experience with this type of technology. My company developed Computer-Based Instruction (CBI) programs in basic educational subjects for the Department of Defense. These programs were designed for military personnel who had graduated from the Public School System without the necessary reading, writing and math skills they needed.

We can use such programs combined with live classroom instruction to further increase the efficiency of the professional teacher, and raise the income generated to well over $200,000 per year – which means we could afford to pay teachers an average annual salary of about $100,000. Of course, starting teachers would receive less, while experienced, star-quality teachers would receive much more.

But what would happen to the public schools?

They would become part of the Public Education System – a system in which every child receives the same funding, and can attend any school the parents choose.

Bad public schools – and bad private schools – would fail. Good schools – public and private – would prosper.

What about rapidly-growing areas? How would they get schools?

Very easily. It typically takes the current bureaucracy-ridden system about five years to establish a new school.

But it doesn’t take private industry five years to put a shopping mall near a new subdivision, complete with fast food outlets, grocery and drug stores, video stores and gas stations. Private industry has shown that it can meet all the needs of the public, no matter how fast they change, if the profit is there.

Open up the Public Education System to private industry, and stand back and watch our schools improve.
 
vern humphrey:
while running for Congress in the First District of Arkansas
Against Marion Berry - a real uphill battle! You must have been a glutton for punishment.

I’m in the 2nd District and Vic Snyder was my man.
 
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Richardols:
Against Marion Berry - a real uphill battle! You must have been a glutton for punishment.

I’m in the 2nd District and Vic Snyder was my man.
I’ve been drafted to run again in '06.

But I keep asking a question – why doesn’t every Catholic church in the diocese (and in the country) have a second collection once a month for Catholic schools?

Why aren’t we EXPANDING our Catholic schools?
 
vern humphrey:
I’ve been drafted to run again in '06.

But I keep asking a question – why doesn’t every Catholic church in the diocese (and in the country) have a second collection once a month for Catholic schools?

Why aren’t we EXPANDING our Catholic schools?
My parish includes an envelope for the support of the parish-affiliated school.

You want sob stories? Read about how the New York and Brooklyn dioceses are closing schools left and right, even when the parishioners are willing to pay for their local school.
 
vern humphrey:
I’ve been drafted to run again in '06.

But I keep asking a question – why doesn’t every Catholic church in the diocese (and in the country) have a second collection once a month for Catholic schools?

Why aren’t we EXPANDING our Catholic schools?
Somewhere along the line parishioners have declined to give full support to the Parochial School. They do not send their children there, and they do not support it financially. The decline began when the Nuns left and the Dioceses decided they had to make it on their own. In retrospect I think it was a poor decision.

A basic tenet of Catholicism is to evangelize and preach the Gospel. Catholic schools was one excellent way to to it.

Parents close the schools. Parents can reopen them. The Diocese should lead.

One other point - they have to get back to Orthodoxy, so parents get the full value of Catholicism, not the poor Cathechesis of the last 40 years.
 
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buffalo:
Somewhere along the line parishioners have declined to give full support to the Parochial School. They do not send their children there, and they do not support it financially. The decline began when the Nuns left and the Dioceses decided they had to make it on their own. In retrospect I think it was a poor decision.

A basic tenet of Catholicism is to evangelize and preach the Gospel. Catholic schools was one excellent way to to it.

Parents close the schools. Parents can reopen them. The Diocese should lead.

One other point - they have to get back to Orthodoxy, so parents get the full value of Catholicism, not the poor Cathechesis of the last 40 years.
The question is, why ISN’T the diocese leading?

Julian the Apostate (Roman Emperor ca 360 AD) sought to reverse the spread of Christianity – converting the Jews and “Galileans” to the worship of Sol Invictus. In a letter of instructions on how this was to be done, he said something we should always bear in mind:

“For it is disgraceful when no Jew is a beggar and the impious Galileans support our poor in addition to their own

Why are we not supporting the poor – Catholic and non-Catholic – in the best way possible, by providing a quality education for their children?
 
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