Cardinal Bernardin and Church Militant

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christofirst said:
those in the Church who hold a more progressive point of view can still be good and holy too, as I truly believe Cardinal Bernardin was.
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  1. I don’t recommend CM as a source of information at all.
  2. A person’s personal goodness and sanctity is the most important thing, but it’s a separate thing from assessing the impact of their overall ministry on others.
  3. He emphasized the same truths which were already familiar at that time. He de emphasized other truths that were in the process of being forgotten, but still relevant, or even urgently needed.
Compare him to his successor, Cardinal George, who affirmed the familiar truths, but emphasized the ones being forgotten. The Secular media applauded Bernardin, opposed George.
 
I never met the guy, but one of my friends actually knew him (when he was the Archbishop of Cincinnati). Said friend was Protestant at the time, but he eventually became Catholic, and I think largely because of him. The second result when I searched his name on a search engine (I don’t use google), was this “Bernardin Homosexual Predator Satanist - Church Militant.”
The fact he’s dead and not here to defend himself, makes it seem worse.
 
Which he specifically denied. (I like Tim Staples, but he made that mistake, too).
 
I didn’t really start this thread so people who know nothing about Bernardin could search and find articles accusing him of sexual abuse or cover-ups. I can operate a search engine myself if I wanted that.

I was trying to get some context from people who met him, had a friend who met him, lived in Chicago when he was in charge, or had an understanding of the dynamics of his dioceses. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear. A couple people seem to have understood what I’m asking and offered helpful insights.
 
I have stopped watching CM on Youtube. Not being American I find their political stuff irrelevant (which I am grateful for!).

More to the point, there is a hateful tone to so much of what they produce. Surely it’s possible to promote orthodoxy and robust debate without the awful ad hominem bile?
 
Cardinal Bernardin was one of the most important bishops in he US even before he was sent to Chicago. He helped organize the US conference of bishops after Vatican II. When he was still in Cincinnati he was elected President of the Conference; without him, the conference would never has become as important as it is.

When he was appointed to Chicago the church there was suffering from years of mismanagement and demoralizing leadership. He was able to revive the remnants of progressivism that his predecessor had worked against. He was warm and approachable, very different from the aloof and arbitrary bishop before him. Cardinal George and Bishop Barron owe a great deal to what he did for the archdiocese.

I lived in Chicago in the 70s, before Bernardin came, and saw very visible signs of the chaos he inherited. I was astounded when I heard what was happening after Bernardin came.
 
Maxirad said:
You might want to check out E. Michael Jones’s 2016 e-book The Man Behind the Curtain: Michael Voris and the Homosexual Vortex . I do admit that Jones is a problematic figure in his own right.
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Does E. Michael Jones have a degree in psychology or does he like to play the American game of the amateur psychoanalyst? He spends a lot of time psychoanalyzing Voris and revealing some unpleasant information about Voris. The ADL says Jones is an antisemite who promotes hatred of Jews and Judaism:


Is it this or something else that you find problematic about E.M. Jones? You mentioned Jones’ ebook on Voris. Is there a similar expose of the life of Jones?
 
yankeesouth said:
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robust debate
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I don’t think CM or other orthodox Catholic media are looking for debate. There should be no debate on the teachings of Jesus.
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CM is not in union with its bishop Ordinary. Thus, it isn’t a Catholic media, or Catholic ministry, at all.

Confer Pascendi 50 - 53; Vatican 2 Document on Social Communications; Code of Canon Law, among other sources.
 
There has always been debate. I’m sure many of the Church councils have been very robust 😀
 
I take a rather cynical view toward CM, but I do not mean it as a negative, not really. Some people like playing football, others watch it; some play Call of Duty, others work puzzles. This place is a form of entertainment. Televised entertainment is even more diverse. Stuff that makes people angry and reinforces their world view and opinions is pretty popular across the political spectrum. So it should be no surprise that CM has a good following. That said, they have to give people what they want to keep themselves in business.
 
Given the other people that CM regularly attacks (like the Pope) and the other things CM says, I think that being attacked by them should actually be considered a badge of honor.
 
TMC said:
Given the other people that CM regularly attacks (like the Pope) and the other things CM says, I think that being attacked by them should actually be considered a badge of honor.
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Not necessarily. Every website is right about some things.

This does not justify CM in general.
 
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AlNg said:
Because there are some things that need to be cleared up. They are not the only source reporting weird things going on.
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There are always things that need to cleared up. And charity+good faith are always called for.
Not everyone is capable of that. As someone else said: one of the downfalls of the instant information age is that anyone and everyone has a megaphone to shout with.
 
Motherwit said:
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Well, here’s the article on their issue with Cardinal Bernadin. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but this is their reasoning.

Church Militant - Serving Catholics
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The Media Report took aim at Voris revisionism.

Revisionist History Debunked: Yes, Cardinal Bernardin's Accuser *DID* Recant His Allegation of Abuse [w/ VIDEO]
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One accuser may have recanted their accusation, but as you can see in the article I posted, there are numerous accusations against him.
 
Hmm… so it seem like Mr. Voris is not merely criticizing the late Cardinal, but actually calling him a satanist. That seems like a pretty extreme accusation.
 
The fact that the late Cardinal is the subject of irrational criticism does negate rational criticism of his public record (not the man himself, RIP).

He pushed the agenda that prolife is just one issue out of many, and we must give equal attention to each cause (his other causes copied from the secular media).

This ignores the fact that not every issue is of equal importance, not every issue has a clear pro or anti Christian choice, not every truth is equally under attack or forgotten at a given time.

Suppose a Church leader in 1930 Germany said, "yes, anti Semitism is a concern. But so is water pollution, and these other 23 issues I see in the daily newspaper.

We should give exactly 4 percent of our attention to anti Semitism. Any more would be fanaticism, and ignore the Seamless Garment."
 
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