Cardinal Bernardin and Church Militant

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They should be investigated because Bernardin was for decades the most powerful and influential Catholic Bishop in America, and a lot of Bishops were appointed owing to his influence (many of them still holding office today). If he is indeed corrupt, then the truth will help uncover the corruption network in the episcopate. If he is innocent, then it will be exonerate him from these accusations, and confirm in the yes of the world that not every accusation of sexual abuse levelled at a priest or bishop is true.
 
AlmaRedemptorisMater said:
fair amount of Catholic media and commentary tends to assume ill intent on the part of those they disagree with, be it traditionalists vs progressives, or vice versa.
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We can’t judge the individual. I don’t know Mr. Voris. We can judge the fruits of someone’s public ministry.

I’m somewhat familiar with some facts of cases in my diocese CM staff has written about, not only on CM itself but on other places.( I was not personally involved).

There was inaccuracy and a blatant lack of fairness or charity. Based on inaccuracies I am aware of, it’s reasonable to suspect some inaccuracies reporting on other situations I am not familiar with.

CM doesn’t exactly claim to be a Catholic media, but implies it is. This deception draws money and credibility away from actual Catholic ministries.
 
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AlmaRedemptorisMater said:
traditionalists vs progressives,
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Actually it’s not so much Traditionalists vs progressives, but Traditionalists and progressives and fundamentalists…
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the hierarchy.

CM casts suspicion on Bernardin not so much because he was a progressive but because he was a cardinal. NCR and Chick Publications may happen to trash different dead or living popes or bishops, but the same theme holds, increase suspicion of the hierarchy.
 
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Johann_du_Toit said:
They should be investigated because
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And when should the investigations stop? I seem to recall reading in this thread that he was cleared while he was still alive. Why dig it up again now that he is dead? Should investigations be open ended and perpetual so long as at least one person “isn’t totally sure”? If there is a corruption network perhaps we should be investigating that instead of investigating settled issues again claiming that it will help us with something completely different.
 
whatistrue said:
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Johann_du_Toit:
They should be investigated because
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And when should the investigations stop? I seem to recall reading in this thread that he was cleared while he was still alive. Why dig it up again now that he is dead? Should investigations be open ended and perpetual so long as at least one person “isn’t totally sure”? If there is a corruption network perhaps we should be investigating that instead of investigating settled issues again claiming that it will help us with something completely different.
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True, as regards Bernardin.
Regarding the alleged “corruption network” it has been investigated extensively.

That won’t stop CM, NCRonline, Chick Publications, etc from claiming, for the next 100 years, that this secret cabal exists that has never been investigated (but CM, or Mission to Catholics, or etc. will do so now, if you send them money).

Somewhere there’s an office. If the call comes in on line 1, the receptionist days “Church Militant, how may I direct your rage?”
If it’s line 2, she says “Call to Action, how…?”
If it’s line 3, she says “Mission to Catholics …”

Same basic idea.
 
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That won’t stop CM, NCRonline, Chick Publications, etc
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And etc. and etc. and etc. ad nauseum. No amount of investigating or clarification or explanation will satisfy someone who doesn’t really care about what has actually happened unless it fits neatly into their narrative.
 
AlbMagno said:
I think if they didn’t changed their name there could be legal actions.
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None whatsoever. The word “Catholic” is not a trademark that enjoys any legal protection in the US, and anyone is free to use it as they wish for any purpose they wish. No one owns it.
 
Many allegations have been made against Bernadine, including some allegations of the most heinous behavior imaginable by Malachi Martin. Whether those allegations are true or not is the question, it seems the minds behind Church Millitant think they hold some weight.
 
Useless said:
Many allegations have been made against Bernadine, including some allegations of the most heinous behavior imaginable by Malachi Martin. Whether those allegations are true or not is the question, it seems the minds behind Church Millitant think they hold some weight.
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Malachi Martin was an earlier, more intellectual version of CM. Much of what he wrote as"true" on other subjects had been refuted by sources close to the situation (such as Fr. Benedict Groeschel).

He basically followed the principle of “if it bleeds, it leads”. He had the skill that he could have been a strong defender of Catholic faith and evangelized, but like Fr. Andrew Greeley he craved the best seller list.

Like CM, Martin hurt the cause of RC conservatism, turning it into a circular firing squad.
 
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Many allegations have been made against Bernadine, including some allegations of the most heinous behavior imaginable by Malachi Martin.
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He too was not a primary source. This is the nature of gossip, or the kids’ party game, telephone. At this date, there may not be any other source of information, which is why this must be let go, in the interest of charity. Judgement has passed to God. Mortals here need to stop attempting a change in venue.
 
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