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Cardinal Burke: Be agents of Mary’s Immaculate Heart to combat ‘diabolical forces’
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He has some good ideas here, but just wondering…
What kinds of actions would this talk - the dissemination of this talk - likely be intended to bring about?
What kind of persons - job titles, or functions within the Church - does it appear this talk is hoped to influence, in terms of actions in their scope and ability?
This talk was presented at a Fatima conference, and disseminated via LifeSite News. Are people likely to attend those venues the ones in a position to carry out desired actions this talk seems to be calling for?
What kinds of actions would this talk - the dissemination of this talk - likely be intended to bring about?
What kind of persons - job titles, or functions within the Church - does it appear this talk is hoped to influence, in terms of actions in their scope and ability?
This talk was presented at a Fatima conference, and disseminated via LifeSite News. Are people likely to attend those venues the ones in a position to carry out desired actions this talk seems to be calling for?
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Do you think that those who attend a Fatima conference are NOT in a position to carry out what Cardinal Burke called for? and why wouldn’t they be?
Further, does the fact that the talk was reported by a particular website mean that simply because it was reported there (and it may indeed have been reported in other places, I believe it was carried here at EWTN as well) ‘invalidate’ it? I mean, if you think that only the ‘incapable’ would go to LifeSiteNews (incapable meaning would not likely be able to do what is called for either through intransigence or through inability to work through ‘real’ channels, what of those who read it at say the National Catholic Register? Surely that is read by ‘real people’ with the ability to 'work these things".
As for myself, I hesitate to label a venue in such vague terms as ‘conservative/rad’ or ‘liberal progressive’ or even ‘regular reliable’ because in doing so, I no longer view what is actually being said, I ‘hear’ only the positive (or the negative) trumpet of what the ‘label’ purports to be all about.
I’d rather do my best to judge the merits of a particular venue, or talk, in as neutral a context as possible.
Further, does the fact that the talk was reported by a particular website mean that simply because it was reported there (and it may indeed have been reported in other places, I believe it was carried here at EWTN as well) ‘invalidate’ it? I mean, if you think that only the ‘incapable’ would go to LifeSiteNews (incapable meaning would not likely be able to do what is called for either through intransigence or through inability to work through ‘real’ channels, what of those who read it at say the National Catholic Register? Surely that is read by ‘real people’ with the ability to 'work these things".
As for myself, I hesitate to label a venue in such vague terms as ‘conservative/rad’ or ‘liberal progressive’ or even ‘regular reliable’ because in doing so, I no longer view what is actually being said, I ‘hear’ only the positive (or the negative) trumpet of what the ‘label’ purports to be all about.
I’d rather do my best to judge the merits of a particular venue, or talk, in as neutral a context as possible.
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OK, I concede your point. Any thoughts on my 2 earlier questions? Note that I also said he presented good ideas. I personally visit a Fatima shrine often, hear talks there.Do you think that those who attend a Fatima conference are NOT in a position to carry out what Cardinal Burke called for? and why wouldn’t they be?
I’d rather do my best to judge the merits of a particular venue, or talk, in as neutral a context as possible.
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What actions did Cardinal Burke call for? What kinds of people (in terms of roles in the Church) would be able to carry the changes he is calling for?Do you think that those who attend a Fatima conference are NOT in a position to carry out what Cardinal Burke called for? and why wouldn’t they be?
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With regard to consecrating the world to Mary, he and his brother bishops in concert with the Pope, and of course he noted that this would be a continued consecration from that done by Pope St John Paul 2. Considering there are several bishops even within this US (and recently too!) who are consecrating their dioceses to Mary, it looks as if Cardinal Burke is being heard.
As for the rest, wasn’t he asking that we laypeople step up and address Mary’s requests at Fatima to a greater extent than we have been?
I looked at the speakers. You have priests like Father Hunwicke and Father Finigan who have flocks and blogs, so they can spread the word. Some experts on Fatima so again, we don’t have to sit back and say that we don’t really know enough about Fatima to decide what to do.
So both the people who spoke and those who attended seem to be in a good position to carry out the actions Cardinal Burke spoke of, and to 'spread the word". . .
As for the rest, wasn’t he asking that we laypeople step up and address Mary’s requests at Fatima to a greater extent than we have been?
I looked at the speakers. You have priests like Father Hunwicke and Father Finigan who have flocks and blogs, so they can spread the word. Some experts on Fatima so again, we don’t have to sit back and say that we don’t really know enough about Fatima to decide what to do.
So both the people who spoke and those who attended seem to be in a good position to carry out the actions Cardinal Burke spoke of, and to 'spread the word". . .
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OK, thanks for the clarification
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Just a reminder, that in any year the most important “experts on Fatima” or any other private revelation would be whoever is the current pope, and one’s own bishop that year, whether it be 1960, 2017, or 2035. Responsible scholars and writers try to interpret Fatima for 2017, always subject to the evaluation of the current Magisterium, and I assume that was true for this conference.I looked at the speakers. You have priests like Father Hunwicke and Father Finigan who have flocks and blogs, so they can spread the word. Some experts on Fatima so again, we don’t have to sit back and say that we don’t really know enough about Fatima to decide what to do.
The problem is when people use (their interpretation of) private revelation to evaluate the current pope and bishops. This is backwards. Having “flocks and blogs” is nice, as long as they are in union with their bishop. I assume these 2 experts are, but many others with “flocks and blogs” are not.
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