Cardinal Burke: Formal correction of Amoris Laetitia could happen in New Year

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I told myself I wouldn’t get involved in this thread because I’m getting vibes that to question is to unnecessarily stir the pot. But, that’s not my intention. (Hey, I think all this recent conversation supports that intent matters. 😉 ) I am not trying to be deliberately obtuse. At worst, it just means I’m slow.
Do not be afraid…
Asked about the attacks on the cardinals and those who support them, Cardinal Burke replied: “I just encourage the faithful not to become discouraged, not to let themselves in some way be intimidated by these kind of statements, for they know Our Lord in His Church, and they have good spiritual guides to keep them close to Our Lord.”
 
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It is not the case that the controversy over AL is merely a misunderstanding. Not at all. There is, for example, the letter to the Arg. bishops.
My " dubia" :)is the following: does the practice among bishops to pick up a phone or make a Skype call to speak to any of the bishops who have understood exist?
And I am asking seriously.
This isn’ t a case of competing,so wouldn’t t this be spountaneous and easier?
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  If Argentine Bishops have understood and they are being close to their priests,can t the ones who have doubts communicate with any of those who understood " internationally"?
What impedes a bishop from calling a friend abroad and ask about the situation they cannot grasp,/ understand/ or have a problem with?
Does anyone know?
 
At worst, it just means I’m slow.
And this is perfectly understandable,TCEL.
The world won t spin faster anyway. No worries.
Now this is the time to prepare our hearts for Christmas .
 
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My " dubia" :)is the following: does the practice among bishops to pick up a phone or make a Skype call to speak to any of the bishops who have understood exist?
And I am asking seriously.
This isn’ t a case of competing,so wouldn’t t this be spountaneous and easier?
Code:
  If Argentine Bishops have understood and they are being close to their priests,can t the ones who have doubts communicate with any of those who understood " internationally"?
What impedes a bishop from calling a friend abroad and ask about the situation they cannot grasp,/ understand/ or have a problem with?
Does anyone know?
Wow. Good point to ponder! I will get slammed for this but I think the problem is with the Bishops not the Pope. (And no these Cardinals aren’t included here. 😉 )The ones who are allowing practices the Church never approved of in the first place were just lying in wait for ANY chance to promote their agendas.

Now the ONLY thing that has me concerned is that these Bishops aren’t being called on their disobedience to the Church teachings. I know even JPII allowed a LOT (the whole sex abuse scandal) to be hidden under the rug. But shouldn’t we have learned from that mistake? :confused:
 
: If Argentine Bishops have understood and they are being close to their priests,can t the ones who have doubts communicate with any of those who understood " internationally"?
What impedes a bishop from calling a friend abroad and ask about the situation they cannot grasp,/ understand/ or have a problem with?
Does anyone know?
Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments
5 June 2003
Prot. n. 855/03/L
Dubium: In many places, the faithful are accustomed to kneeling or sitting in personal prayer upon returning to their places after individually received Holy Communion during Mass. Is it the intention of the Missale Romanum, editio typica tertia, to forbid this practice?
Responsum: Negative, et ad mentem. The mens is that that the prescription of the Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani, no. 43, is intended, on one hand, to ensure within broad limits a certain uniformity of posture within the congregation for the various parts of the celebration of the Holy Mass, and on the other, to not regulate posture rigidly in such* a way that those who wish to kneel or sit would no longer be free.
Francis Cardinal Arinze
Prefect

Sure, Cardinal George could have asked the Canadian bishops, or other bishops, what they thought it meant, but that would not have really answered the question, as the Canadian bishops were not the ones who released the document. The CDWDS was, hence the US bishops asked the ones who had issued the document in the first place.
 
Wow. Good point to ponder! I will get slammed for this but I think the problem is with the Bishops not the Pope.
Peace on earth.
I am not talking of disobedience but nothing that sounded more practical and spountaneous,that is all.
What is done is done .
I was thinking if they could pick up a phone now or any time and if this was OK. Bishop call bishop or Cardinal call Cardinal.Sort of a brotherly communication.
 
graciew;14357049 said:
: If Argentine Bishops have understood and they are being close to their priests,can t the ones who have doubts communicate with any of those who understood " internationally"?
What impedes a bishop from calling a friend abroad and ask about the situation they cannot grasp,/ understand/ or have a problem with?
Does anyone know?
Thank you,Brendan.
May your Cardinaln Grorge rest in peace. I read here how much he was appreciated.
 
That is uncomfortable. …Hope you get better soon.
Oh, thank you for the well-wishes! “Spring fever” is an expression meaning one can’t wait for spring. I’m tired of the short days and cold weather. It’s unusual for me to feel this way so early in winter.
 
Oh, thank you for the well-wishes! “Spring fever” is an expression meaning one can’t wait for spring. I’m tired of the short days and cold weather. It’s unusual for me to feel this way so early in winter.
🙂 Oh!! I thought it was an allergy,hay fever…I guess.
 
God Bless Cardinal Burke.

I hope Pope Francis does answer the dubia and is able to bring clarity to what has been clearly expressed by multiple people, confusion in relation to certain aspects of Amoris Latetia. But if he does not respond, a formal correction of the type Cardinal Burke has expressed may well be needed. I am thankful to Cardinal Burke and the Cardinals who brought the dubia.
 
God Bless Cardinal Burke.

I hope Pope Francis does answer the dubia and is able to bring clarity to what has been clearly expressed by multiple people, confusion in relation to certain aspects of Amoris Latetia. But if he does not respond, a formal correction of the type Cardinal Burke has expressed may well be needed. I am thankful to Cardinal Burke and the Cardinals who brought the dubia.
👍 me too!
 
🙂 Oh!! I thought it was an allergy,hay fever…I guess.
Symptoms include gazing at empty planters, daydreaming about the pool, and wishing the infernal (and seemingly eternal) northern slope shadow would go away.
 
Peace on earth.
I am not talking of disobedience but nothing that sounded more practical and spountaneous,that is all.
What is done is done .
I was thinking if they could pick up a phone now or any time and if this was OK. Bishop call bishop or Cardinal call Cardinal.Sort of a brotherly communication.
What makes you think this doesn’t happen?

Why do you think this would solve the problem and confusion?

Cdl Burke reads Arg. bishops letter that is promoted as what Pope Francis wants. They read sertain practices that go against Church teaching so they want the Pope to clarify what he is getting across in his exhortation. They ask him to answer 4 questions yes or no! I’m not sure why you can not understand what is happening here.

THere is confusion because we are being told that AL does not change any teaching of the church but then the Arg. Bishops write a letter about what they have changed. Cdl Burke and many others want to know why the confusion!
 
God Bless Cardinal Burke.

I hope Pope Francis does answer the dubia and is able to bring clarity to what has been clearly expressed by multiple people, confusion in relation to certain aspects of Amoris Latetia. But if he does not respond, a formal correction of the type Cardinal Burke has expressed may well be needed. I am thankful to Cardinal Burke and the Cardinals who brought the dubia.
I agree fully:thumbsup:
 
Wow. Good point to ponder! I will get slammed for this but I think the problem is with the Bishops not the Pope. (And no these Cardinals aren’t included here. 😉 )The ones who are allowing practices the Church never approved of in the first place were just lying in wait for ANY chance to promote their agendas.

Now the ONLY thing that has me concerned is that these Bishops aren’t being called on their disobedience to the Church teachings. I know even JPII allowed a LOT (the whole sex abuse scandal) to be hidden under the rug. But shouldn’t we have learned from that mistake? :confused:
How are these Bishops being disobedient? They have a huge responsibility making sure their priests are following the teachings of the Catholic Church. If priests are coming to them with questions about AL the Bishops need to be sure there is no confusion and they answering correctly their priests are presenting. I applaud the Bishops for the action they took and I hope they get the clarification they are requesting.
 
Per Pope Benedict, fraternal correction is an act of love–not disrespect.
Exactly. So why would fin suggest that even mentioning the possibility that a Cardinal might also be the target of fraternal suggestion is somehow disrespectful? 🤷

Besides, it missed the point. I did not suggest that this would happen. I was only pointing out that speculation on the future could include* anything.* It is surely as likely that some cardinal, priest or bishop might receive correction as it would the Pope.

I hope the reaction wasn’t due to cult of personality, whereby people have a tendency to pick their favorite clergy like the Catholic Church was some reality show. I not that those who do this usually judge clergy by their own opinions and how much each clergy agrees with them and behaves as they behave. How crazy is that!? It would seem more prudent just to follow the Pope, and if he is corrected, then follow that. I think it questionable practice to follow what one sees in their crystal ball.
 
How are these Bishops being disobedient? They have a huge responsibility making sure their priests are following the teachings of the Catholic Church. If priests are coming to them with questions about AL the Bishops need to be sure there is no confusion and they answering correctly their priests are presenting. I applaud the Bishops for the action they took and I hope they get the clarification they are requesting.
They are not being disobedient. But I don’t know that they are really confused about AL. I think that they think AL is wrong and they are expressing their discontent with (and perhaps dissent from) that document. They can do that, and the Pope is perfectly well equipped to deal with it.

Meanwhile the vast majority of Catholics, laity and clergy alike, are perfectly happy with the Pope and his teachings.
 
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