Cardinal Burke: Formal correction of Amoris Laetitia could happen in New Year

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Don_Ruggero said:
In fact, your analogies quickly fail because the application of pastoral accompaniment involves the bishops and the priests…not lay people. The most that ought to be done is to refer anyone in need of a special pastoral accompaniment to their parish priest.

If the person is in legal difficulty, they need a lawyer…not well meaning people who are unable to practice law. If a person faces threat, they need law enforcement…not vigilantes operating outside of the law.
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Agreed, there are circumstances in which we need a specialist. Not at all denying that. But I’m similarly not denying that in those circumstances where we, as lay men and women, have a situation land in our lap unannounced, the appropriate response isn’t always going to be “I’m sorry, I can’t talk to you about that, you should talk to a Priest/Bishop”. Sometimes we have to give our own witness of the Gospel, even if done imperfectly, and not deny our personal responsibility to try and help when we may be the only ones who can.

Most of the time when some situation of need arises, we aren’t even talking to a Catholic. So a suggestion that they go and see a “specialist” Priest or Bishop will fall on deaf ears.

The best solution is of course the old solution; learn the faith. We can’t pass on what we don’t have.
 
Stat_Crux said:
Agreed, there are circumstances in which we need a specialist. Not at all denying that. But I’m similarly not denying that in those circumstances where we, as lay men and women, have a situation land in our lap unannounced, the appropriate response isn’t always going to be “I’m sorry, I can’t talk to you about that, you should talk to a Priest/Bishop”. Sometimes we have to give our own witness of the Gospel, even if done imperfectly, and not deny our personal responsibility to try and help when we may be the only ones who can.

Most of the time when some situation of need arises, we aren’t even talking to a Catholic. So a suggestion that they go and see a “specialist” Priest or Bishop will fall on deaf ears.

The best solution is of course the old solution; learn the faith. We can’t pass on what we don’t have.
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Well, I could not calculate the number of times over the years that I have had someone come to me with the most relatively simple situations involving canon law where someone – who was not a canon lawyer – tried to explain what they thought they knew and were miserably wrong. Without even part of what they said being right or applicable in the situation.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
Well, I could not calculate the number of times over the years that I have had someone come to me with the most relatively simple situations involving canon law where someone – who was not a canon lawyer – tried to explain what they thought they knew and were miserably wrong. Without even part of what they said being right or applicable in the situation.
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It’s ironic that amidst the huge push away from clericalism of the last decades, we have a situation that almost forces a person into the exclusive hands of a priest for information/counseling/determination of spiritual disposition.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
Well, I could not calculate the number of times over the years that I have had someone come to me with the most relatively simple situations involving canon law where someone – who was not a canon lawyer – tried to explain what they thought they knew and were miserably wrong. Without even part of what they said being right or applicable in the situation.
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Nevertheless, the topic is “Cardinal Burke: Formal correction of Amoris Latitia could happen in New Year”.
 
Ender said:
Adultery always involves grave matter. Except for irrelevant cases it always involves deliberate consent. As for full knowledge, once it pointed out that sex with a second spouse constitutes adultery, that box is checked as well. At that point there is no possibility of defining the act as merely a venial sin.

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I see this the same way.
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Ender said:
Adultery always involves grave matter. Except for irrelevant cases it always involves deliberate consent. As for full knowledge, once it pointed out that sex with a second spouse constitutes adultery, that box is checked as well. At that point there is no possibility of defining the act as merely a venial sin.
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There do seem to be at lot of questions:
  • Does a tribunal’s decision not to declare nullity guarantee than any subsequent marriage (absent death of the first spouse) is the sin of adultery (culpability aside)?
  • Is the priest in accompaniment addressing the question of validity of the prior marriage at all? How does any conclusion he reaches on that point affect the status of the remarried?
  • Can the accompaniment process effectively “clear” the remarried person to embrace the sexual relationship with their partner?
  • Is reduced culpability key to the reasoning in AL?
 
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