Cardinal Burke: never asked for resignation of Knights of Malta chancellor [CWN]

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TMC said:
The Pope appears to disagree with you. I’ll side with the Pope.
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As members of the flock, we must follow Christ and the Church, and all the popes and shepherds who are faithful to the Magisterium. With all due deference, obedience and loyalty to all popes, it must be reminded that popes are also men and are indeed sinners. They can make mistakes. Their own personal political, economic and social opinions are not infallible, and therefore are not beyond criticism. Within these areas, there is room for rational, respectful debates. Remember there were really bad popes throughout the long history of the Church. God gave us all the faculty to discern and reason. Let’s use them correctly and responsibly. Blind obedience is not what the Church teaches.
 
graciew said:
And why do you associate this the Pope has spoken with Cardinal Burke ?
What lead to make that connection?
This is what you are saying ,aren t you?
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I made no association or connection. It was my observation during the time when Pope Francis made accusations of fundamentalism, lack of mercy and rigidity in the Church. Cardinal Burke then also made a comment to the effect that he would not be afraid of being called a “fundamentalist” if he followed the teachings of Christ and the Church. Is there an association or connection? I don’t know for sure…
 
Randolph said:
As members of the flock, we must follow Christ and the Church, and all the popes and shepherds who are faithful to the Magisterium. With all due deference, obedience and loyalty to all popes, it must be reminded that popes are also men and are indeed sinners. They can make mistakes. Their own personal political, economic and social opinions are not infallible, and therefore are not beyond criticism. Within these areas, there is room for rational, respectful debates. Remember there were really bad popes throughout the long history of the Church. God gave us all the faculty to discern and reason. Let’s use them correctly and responsibly. Blind obedience is not what the Church teaches.
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From what I’ve read, I’m pretty sure TMC wouldn’t stick with this pope or his predecessors on a few other “thorny” issues.🤷
 
Ginny89 said:
Myself, I think I’ll stick with Christ, his apostles and all his popes.😛
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I get to stick with both, as I do not see this as dichotomy. After all, in this affair, the Pope is the Vicar of Christ. His administration is the administration of Christ. We can not that Cardinal Burke has not complained about his assignments. He understands the role of the papacy, as well as his own role as Cardinal. His integrity on this alone should cause us all to give him the benefit of the doubt in this matter.
 
Randolph said:
As members of the flock, we must follow Christ and the Church, and all the popes and shepherds who are faithful to the Magisterium. With all due deference, obedience and loyalty to all popes, it must be reminded that popes are also men and are indeed sinners. They can make mistakes. Their own personal political, economic and social opinions are not infallible, and therefore are not beyond criticism. Within these areas, there is room for rational, respectful debates. Remember there were really bad popes throughout the long history of the Church. God gave us all the faculty to discern and reason. Let’s use them correctly and responsibly. Blind obedience is not what the Church teaches.
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Ginny89 said:
“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and celebrate, because great is your reward in heaven; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets before you.” St. Matthew, Chapter 5, verses 11-12.

If what you say is true, then Cardinal Burke’s crown just got brighter.
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Vicious perponal attacks, deceits, lies and slanders have been cast upon Cardinal Burke. The plans are to dismiss, injure and discredit the good Cardinal. Let’s not be mistaken. Their main goal is eliminate a great defender of the teachings of Christ and of the Church. His enemies are restless and relentless. Few of his colleagues have come to his defense. And yet, Cardinal Burke has stood strong with great humility and conviction. What a great man and a Cardinal!!! I have grown to admire and respect him more and more. His love for the Church, his deeds and his sacrifices speak for themselves.

In a larger sense, in the midst of turmoils in the Church, we are re-assured once again that Christ has kept His promise to protect the Church… St. Thomas More, St. Fisher, St. Athanasius, St John Paul…Pray for us…
 
Your truthful and charitable explanations on CAF have benefited the Church here already, so we can add our own Amen to that prayer.
 
Randolph said:
I made no association or connection. It was my observation during the time when Pope Francis made accusations of fundamentalism, lack of mercy and rigidity in the Church. Cardinal Burke then also made a comment to the effect that he would not be afraid of being called a “fundamentalist” if he followed the teachings of Christ and the Church. Is there an association or connection? I don’t know for sure…
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Not that I know of.
The Pope’s scope is wide and it is some of the press who stop by when he mentions these items.
And sweep over the very many other issues he has dealt with.
He has spoken about fundamentalism in meetings with world religious leaders. As using God for an ideology.
Can t imagine he has Burke in mind ,his center of attention,when we see all the persecution,suffering and real problems persons face worldwide.
Cardinal Burke is too young to be inactive. Sounds good that he can still move around in assignments with concrete issues like Guam.and he is experienced in that matter.
For me,these alleged camps and match are a ridiculous invented/deviced waste of time.
But it is just me.
 
“That bishops and priests will have the courage to teach the Truth and defend the Faith against all her enemies both within the Church and outside the Church. And may all confusion be dispelled from the Church” (Cardinal Burke).

Amen.
 
graciew said:
Not that I know of.
The Pope’s scope is wide and it is some of the press who stop by when he mentions these items.
And sweep over the very many other issues he has dealt with.
He has spoken about fundamentalism in meetings with world religious leaders. As using God for an ideology.
Can t imagine he has Burke in mind ,his center of attention,when we see all the persecution,suffering and real problems persons face worldwide.
Cardinal Burke is too young to be inactive. Sounds good that he can still move around in assignments with concrete issues like Guam.and he is experienced in that matter.
For me,these alleged camps and match are a ridiculous invented/deviced waste of time.
But it is just me.
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Cardinal Burke was our Archbishop, before he was called to Rome. The main difference between the two, to me, is one modeled on the good shepherd, and the other is the Just Judge. Both are images of Christ,both are needed by the church. The World today is more apt to like the Good Shepherd and do not understand how the two can ride side by side.
 
graciew said:
Not that I know of.
The Pope’s scope is wide and it is some of the press who stop by when he mentions these items.
And sweep over the very many other issues he has dealt with.
He has spoken about fundamentalism in meetings with world religious leaders. As using God for an ideology.
Can t imagine he has Burke in mind ,his center of attention,when we see all the persecution,suffering and real problems persons face worldwide.
Cardinal Burke is too young to be inactive. Sounds good that he can still move around in assignments with concrete issues like Guam.and he is experienced in that matter.
For me,these alleged camps and match are a ridiculous invented/deviced waste of time.
But it is just me.
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There are ‘camps’ within the Church and it would be naive to dismiss it. There were camps at Vatican II and there have been ever since. The French and German bishops along with some others worked together for a common cause. And there were other ‘camps’ with other approaches. This isn’t necessarily a criticism; it is what it is.
 
the_7th_one said:
Cardinal Burke was our Archbishop, before he was called to Rome. The main difference between the two, to me, is one modeled on the good shepherd, and the other is the Just Judge. Both are images of Christ,both are needed by the church. The World today is more apt to like the Good Shepherd and do not understand how the two can ride side by side.
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Ride side by side…that is good image .
That is interesting that he was your Archbishop,I did not honestly know him .
One gets kind of engaged with our Archibishops,don t we? Part of the family for a long time:).
Thanks for sharing.
 
Mongo said:
There are ‘camps’ within the Church and it would be naive to dismiss it. There were camps at Vatican II and there have been ever since. The French and German bishops along with some others worked together for a common cause. And there were other ‘camps’ with other approaches. This isn’t necessarily a criticism; it is what it is.
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I do not see them as camps. We didn’t t grow in camps in the Church. And if there were differences,they must have solved them among themselves. You have my word for it that this is what it is as most of us have lived it.
Different approaches aren t camps.

We buy what we want to buy,Mongo,sincerely…
If the Pope is the territory over which old battles are fought,I do not know. But that the Church for us has been the refuge and guide in times when everything else seemed to split into camps,I must also acknowledge.
So you see,Mongo,I really believe there isn t this battle between the Pope and whoever.
What perhaps you do not know,is that as our Archbishop he also was tough when he had to. And as with any good father,sometimes he had to pull our ears hard( this is a saying…). And that was perfectly fine with us. He loved us and it showed.
See,he even left us homework!!
Have a peaceful week,Mongo.
 
Stat_Crux said:
Interesting how all of these recent personal attacks against him in the media have all the appearances of a deliberate campaign to publicly discredit someone. They seemed to appear out of nowhere around about the time he asked for a clarification on how we are to understand Amoris Laetitia…

It’s interesting how Cardinal Burke is attacked for his staunch orthodoxy and adherence to what the Church has always taught, but we can all think of Cardinals who support positions that go against the Church’s teaching who are treated with “respect” and “dialogue” and not subjected to a smear campaign in the press. Bit of a double standard really…
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I’m from St. Louis. IMHO, he was a Just Judge sort and some people will never reconcile to the need to be guided by what the Church teaches. Lots of changes occurred in the archdiocese while he was in charge, and with that change people are always going to find fault. Although I love our current Archbishop, I also have the deepest respect and admiration for Cardinal Burke.
 
Mongo said:
There are ‘camps’ within the Church and it would be naive to dismiss it. There were camps at Vatican II and there have been ever since. The French and German bishops along with some others worked together for a common cause. And there were other ‘camps’ with other approaches. This isn’t necessarily a criticism; it is what it is.
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The Acts and other New Testament writings make it very clear that there were conflicting camps in the first century Church… we are the mystical body of Christ, but also a human society. Its the mystery of the incarnation: divine and human.
 
twf said:
The Acts and other New Testament writings make it very clear that there were conflicting camps in the first century Church… we are the mystical body of Christ, but also a human society. Its the mystery of the incarnation: divine and human.
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Indeed. Even St. Peter aligned himself with the “Judaizers” out of human respect. Thank God he was braver at the Council of Jerusalem. But I guess that was the Holy Spirit.
 
JanetF said:
I’m from St. Louis. IMHO, he was a Just Judge sort and some people will never reconcile to the need to be guided by what the Church teaches. Lots of changes occurred in the archdiocese while he was in charge, and with that change people are always going to find fault. Although I love our current Archbishop, I also have the deepest respect and admiration for Cardinal Burke.
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Amen, met him once when he visited Holy Trinity parish in North county. A good man.
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