Cardinal Burke: New evangelisation fails unless teachings on traditional marriage upheld

[_Abyssinia]

The new evangelisation of Western societies will fail unless the Church succeeds in transmitting its teachings on marriage and the family to Catholics, a US cardinal has said.

The success of efforts to convincingly preach anew the Gospel in secularised societies rests on the ability of Catholics to faithfully abide by the Church’s teachings, said Cardinal Raymond Burke, patron of the Knights of Malta.

He said the obedient Christian witness of faithful married couples was critical to the renewal of the Church and society and said Catholics must be willing to suffer in their efforts to uphold the truth of marriage.

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[Tigg]

I refer to practices which would give access to the Sacraments to those who are living in a public state of adultery, and which would condone, in some manner, conjugal
cohabitation outside of the Sacrament of Matrimony, and sexual relations between persons of the same sex. The report given at the midpoint of the Synod made strikingly clear the gravity of the situation. The report itself, which lacked practically any consistent reference to the constant magisterium of the Church, was a manifesto, a kind of incitement to a new approach to fundamental issues of human sexuality in the Church.

Thank you, Cardinal Burke for your courageous witness. We should know by now, the meaning of the authentic development of doctrine never repudiates anything in the Deposit of Faith, nor substitutes new teaching for the old, but reaffirms what the Church has always taught and believed.

 

[Lapey]

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I cannot agree more. Lumen Gentium rightfully refers to the family as the domestic Church. The document is referring to the Church’s idea of family, father, mother and children. It is not possible to be any other configuration “representing” the three parts of the family, as in two fathers/mothers.

God created matrimony, Mother Church ministers the sacrament not society. If we continue down the road we are on as a society we will see continued decline in evengelization.

 

[J_Peterson]

I cannot agree more. Lumen Gentium rightfully refers to the family as the domestic Church. The document is referring to the Church’s idea of family, father, mother and children. It is not possible to be any other configuration “representing” the three parts of the family, as in two fathers/mothers.

God created matrimony, Mother Church ministers the sacrament not society. If we continue down the road we are on as a society we will see continued decline in evengelization.

Nitpicky correction, the couple administers the sacrement to each other. The priest/decon is simply there as a witness for the Church that it’s valid. The couple could get married on a desert island with no one else around (the Church may not recognize it but God will).

 

[McCall1981]

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God bless Cardinal Burke

 

[Lapey]

Nitpicky correction, the couple administers the sacrement to each other. The priest/decon is simply there as a witness for the Church that it’s valid. The couple could get married on a desert island with no one else around (the Church may not recognize it but God will).

I was referring to the control of it or governance, not the literal ministering of it. But in that point you are 100% correct, the couple celebrates the Sacrament and the minister witnesses. Good catch there!

Let me be “nitpicky” back with you, bishop, priest or deacon…

 

[J_Peterson]

I was referring to the control of it or governance, not the literal ministering of it. But in that point you are 100% correct, the couple celebrates the Sacrament and the minister witnesses. Good catch there!

Let me be “nitpicky” back with you, bishop, priest or deacon…

Haha, oops. I deserved that .

I knew what you meant, being a Decon and all I knew you’d know the distinction. It’s probably my favorite thing I learned in marriage prep and I think it’s important that people understand that point. It’s very romantic. Do other faiths see it the same way?

 

[edwest2]

God bless Cardinal Burke. Traditional marriage is the basic building block of society.

To families everywhere,

Ed

 

[Memaw]

Thank you, Cardinal Burke for your courageous witness. We should know by now, the meaning of the authentic development of doctrine never repudiates anything in the Deposit of Faith, nor substitutes new teaching for the old, but reaffirms what the Church has always taught and believed.

Amen, God Bless, Memaw

 

[Justin_Swanton]

And my thumbs up.

 

[PTL]

Thank God for Cardinal Burke! We need the voice in the wilderness.

 

[Lapey]

What’s the “new” evangelisation?
Is it different from how evangelising used to be?

Is he saying the church does not do well transmitting teachings about family to Catholics?
Is he worried that Catholics are pressuring for a change in teaching?
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Questions, questions…
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you’ve never heard mention of the phrase “New Evangelization”? Really?

 

[Justin_Swanton]

What’s the “new” evangelisation?
Is it different from how evangelising used to be?

Is he saying the church does not do well transmitting teachings about family to Catholics?
Is he worried that Catholics are pressuring for a change in teaching?
*
Questions, questions…
*

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Your answers?

 

[JimG]

I recently read an article which addressed the fact that when it comes to marriage and family, same sex marriage may be one of the least of our worries. The sexual revolution attacked marriage, obviously, and largely succeeded.
In fact, many Christians have dociley laid down their arms and accepted all the results of the sexual revolution except same sex marriage. Too late.

A quote:

The openly proclaimed targets of the sexual radicals, both feminist and homosexualist, are (in this order):

1. Men, masculinity, and fatherhood
2. Marriage and traditional families
3. Christians and other non-violent religious believers

And this: “Same-sex “marriage” concerns tiny numbers. By contrast, divorce and illegitimacy devastate the lives of tens of millions and constitute the engine driving the welfare system that is bankrupting entire societies.”
From an article by Stephen Baskerville:

 

[TCEL]

I recently read an article which addressed the fact that when it comes to marriage and family, same sex marriage may be one of the least of our worries. The sexual revolution attacked marriage, obviously, and largely succeeded.
In fact, many Christians have dociley laid down their arms and accepted all the results of the sexual revolution except same sex marriage. Too late.

A quote:

The openly proclaimed targets of the sexual radicals, both feminist and homosexualist, are (in this order):

1. Men, masculinity, and fatherhood
2. Marriage and traditional families
3. Christians and other non-violent religious believers

And this: “Same-sex “marriage” concerns tiny numbers. By contrast, divorce and illegitimacy devastate the lives of tens of millions and constitute the engine driving the welfare system that is bankrupting entire societies.”
From an article by Stephen Baskerville:

What I don’t understand, really, is what they want. What are their hopes? What do they think this will achieve? To me it just seems a very nihilistic end-point. I’m still not sure what they’re trying to progress towards, other than some vague equality where we do what we want. Is it that simple?

 

[JimG]

No radical group is healthy, be they men or women or gay or straight or religious or not.
Non-radical feminists and homosexuals don’t “target” the above.

I agree with the writer, tho, that same-sex marriage concerns tiny numbers and that those who are against it are causing un-needed panic for themselves and others.
Only a small percentage of the human population are homosexual. Heterosexuals will keep having sex and babies and families…

Well, that’s the problem. Heterosexuals are having sex and babies but not families. They object strenuously to same sex marriage (as do I), but they cave in to all other types of immoral sexual activity. Kids cohabitating? No problem. Sex outside of marriage? No problem. Fatherless children? Uncle Sam will take care of it. Divorce? Hey, who am I to judge?

We judge same sex marriage to be bad for society. But there is no social stigma attached to divorce, to fornication, to the hook up culture. We tell the kids, it’s okay–just be safe. But it has ruined society and marriage. If the Synod wants to focus on marriage, they need to be focusing on all those other problems, not figuring out how to make divorce more palatable. And if evangelization is needed, as it is, it is particularly important in the matter of sexual morality–which affects all of society, culture, and civilization.

 

[Mongo]

I recently read an article which addressed the fact that when it comes to marriage and family, same sex marriage may be one of the least of our worries. The sexual revolution attacked marriage, obviously, and largely succeeded.
In fact, many Christians have dociley laid down their arms and accepted all the results of the sexual revolution except same sex marriage. Too late.

A quote:

The openly proclaimed targets of the sexual radicals, both feminist and homosexualist, are (in this order):

1. Men, masculinity, and fatherhood
2. Marriage and traditional families
3. Christians and other non-violent religious believers

And this: “Same-sex “marriage” concerns tiny numbers. By contrast, divorce and illegitimacy devastate the lives of tens of millions and constitute the engine driving the welfare system that is bankrupting entire societies.”
From an article by Stephen Baskerville:

And that is where the crisis is. There is a crisis in which men and masculinity is under trial. And it isn’t only happening in the secular world but also in the Church. Cardinal Burke’s recent interview on the subject points this out. The Church has catered to women and abandoned men. The result will be the death of the Church in the west unless they make some changes.

 

[Mongo]

Many of them are having families, of course they are.
They may not all be getting married, that’s true. Did Abraham marry Hagar? Nope. But they had a baby and Hagar and the child were part of the family.
There has always been those who have sex and babies and families outside of getting married.
(assuming that is what you mean by “having a family”?)

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They were kicked out and forced to Rome. It wasn’t a family.

 

[JimG]

Many of them are having families, of course they are.
They may not all be getting married, that’s true. Did Abraham marry Hagar? Nope. But they had a baby and Hagar and the child were part of the family.
There has always been those who have sex and babies and families outside of getting married.
(assuming that is what you mean by “having a family”?)
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I am talking about a 40% to 70% out of wedlock birth rate, which no society can long sustain. I am talking about a trend toward cohabitation but not marriage, marriage but not children, creating children in a petri dish, teaching grade school children how to have sex of many varieties. I am speaking of a society which recognizes every variety of sexual preference as valid, but can’t seem to recognize that humanity is composed of men and women, and that they are made for marriage, and that marriage is a lifelong union.