Look, we are not Christ. We are not God.
No, but it’s not unusual have that accusation placed against anyone that critiques republicans, or anyone that displays a lack of love and charity against another human being, who happens to be a politician. I’m shocked when I see people take their political dislikes to an extreme as to turn their ‘critiques’ on men of the Church.
I can’t help but notice the irony here. Aren’t you the one who is now making an opinion that goes against the Church…that what Canon Law allows for is wrong? Canon Law makes it very clear that we can express opinions that go against those in the heirarchy.
No, it isn’t. That is paragraph 2309.
No, I am not speaking against the Church. I have explained we make our opinions known to the Church, but our opinions have no authority over the authoritative men of the Church.
So I guess you’re saying Christ would send a congratulations to Obama?
Further placing words in another person’s mouth. Does that somehow prove your point? I’ll be perfectly honest, I do not know what our Lord would do. I can only go by what His instructions were to His followers. Care to show me where He instructed us to be less than charitable to another person?
no one is arguing that instruction of the ignorant should be uncharitable. One can speak truth in charity. If you follow your reasoning to its logical conclusion then no one ever has the right to admonish anyone of anything.
I never implied not being less than charitable.
I have not said that, or insinuated that. I have said, ‘love and charity in all things.’ I believe Cardinal Dolan’s, and Pope Benedict’s, congratulations were charitable and an expression of love toward a fellow human being. We might notice that they did include messages of a dignity of life with the congratulations. The messages were not strictly congratulations alone. How anyone can judge them as remiss is beyond me.
I invite you to reread your posts in this thread.
I think that what bothers people about the congratulations, is that many people (myself included) are heart broken over perceptions of abandonment on the part of the hierarchy. I am truly saddened over the outcome of the election because I see it as an assault against life, the family and my Church. I am afraid for the persecutions that I think will come and I look to our Bishops for protection, not for me, but for Holy Mother Church. We have moved way beyond the point of “oh BTW you know how we feel about abortion”, we are headed off the cliff and drastic measures are called for.
Huh? This flock should be apologizing to Cardinal Dolan!
Unless, God’s will has been done…in order that we return to His command to seek conversions of the heart, as opposed to pulling a lever and having legislation attempt to enforce morality, which does not remove the desires.
Do you mean that Catholics who voted against Obama were going against God’s will because it is His intent that his Church must be persecuted in this place and time?
No I did not mean that. I was thinking out loud, so to speak, that maybe all is as God wills it be, in order to have us return to His command to seek out conversions of the hearts and minds. I would assume all is according to His purpose.
Just because it’s not as we desire does not mean God didn’t answer prayers. Sometimes the answer is no.
Did you really get that out of what I said?
Well, yes. You had replied to Marci who was lamenting the election outcome because she saw the result as an assault against life, family, and the Church.
Of course we should. Let’s just hope it’s not the political process being the reason of hardships. It does in a way place men before Him, at least some do place an amazing amount of trust in them.
The teaching of fraternal correction, of which you speak, can be done in public if the offense was public and the public was somehow unduly scandalized and needed to know the truth for some important reason.