Cardinal Dolan passes on the baton

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Cojuanco said:
We can’t simply have as the shortlist every holy bishop, or it would defeat the purpose of narrowing down the options. It would be like having every good basketball college side in March Madness.
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That’s a good idea! Set up an elimination with all the bishops competing in a contest of one-on-one basketball.
 
markomalley said:
[/INDENT]I was really saddened when I saw that neither Bishop Blaire nor Bishop Pates were on the list of finalists.

Maybe next year.
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:rolleyes:

Irony aimed at disparaging someone by maliciously caricaturing some aspect of his behavior (is an offense against truth). - CCC 2481.
I hope Archbishop DiNardo or Archbishop Chaput is the “winner”. I wouldn’t mind Bishop Morlino either, even though he isn’t a “finalist”. All of the nominees would be great I’m sure. 🙂
 
CrossofChrist said:
:rolleyes:

Irony aimed at disparaging someone by maliciously caricaturing some aspect of his behavior (is an offense against truth). - CCC 2481.
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Pray tell, which aspect of his (their) behavior did I maliciously caricature? Seems to me that I simply stated that it was a pity that neither were finalists…I listed no particular reason why. But I will do so now:

If either was elected as President of the USCCB it would represent a dramatic shift to supporting political positions that endorsed far greater government involvement in social justice issues and would likewise represent a decrease in emphasis in what is deemed the “moral absolutes” type of issues (e.g., abortion, homosexuality, etc). I think it’s a fairly safe assumption that they would drop all resistance to such important government initiatives as the Affordable Care Act.

It might also signal a renaissance for such important USCCB initiatives like CCHD and would, perhaps, even bring a rapprochement between the Catholic Church and groups like Dignity.

This would meet with tremendous approval by the mainstream media and the intellectual elite – in fact, progressives in the Church would feel hugely empowered. In addition, it would probably serve to cause a lessening of pressure being placed on the Church by the government. If they can somehow manage to reconcile with the huge number of homosexual people who feel alienated by the Church, it might also result in an increase in donations and endowments to Catholic social efforts.

Of course, if either were to speak out from the President’s Sede like they do in their committee chairs, it would undoubtedly alienate those who were more conservative, but that is a terribly small price to pay for the gains that they would achieve by their reconciliation with progressives (at least from a progressive’s point of view). After all, don’t most progressives regard conservatives as hateful, bigoted little people who are not worthy of association, much less consideration?

It would be a definite, unambiguous signal as to the direction for the American Catholic Church, now wouldn’t it?

And that’s why I would love for them to be finalists. If either was elected then that would send a clear signal to American Catholics. On the other hand, if both were roundly rejected for the post by their brother bishops, that would also send an unambiguous signal. But since neither are now on the ballot nor likely ever will be on the ballot, there is ambiguity: are they generally supported for taking their positions? Or are they generally tolerated or ignored?

No caricature, no irony…

Oh, by the way, since you quoted the CCC, let me quote a paragraph back at you:

2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor’s thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way
Just sayin…
 
markomalley said:
Pray tell, which aspect of his (their) behavior did I maliciously caricature? Seems to me that I simply stated that it was a pity that neither were finalists…I listed no particular reason why. But I will do so now:

If either was elected as President of the USCCB it would represent a dramatic shift to supporting political positions that endorsed far greater government involvement in social justice issues and would likewise represent a decrease in emphasis in what is deemed the “moral absolutes” type of issues (e.g., abortion, homosexuality, etc). I think it’s a fairly safe assumption that they would drop all resistance to such important government initiatives as the Affordable Care Act.

It might also signal a renaissance for such important USCCB initiatives like CCHD and would, perhaps, even bring a rapprochement between the Catholic Church and groups like Dignity.

This would meet with tremendous approval by the mainstream media and the intellectual elite – in fact, progressives in the Church would feel hugely empowered. In addition, it would probably serve to cause a lessening of pressure being placed on the Church by the government. If they can somehow manage to reconcile with the huge number of homosexual people who feel alienated by the Church, it might also result in an increase in donations and endowments to Catholic social efforts.

Of course, if either were to speak out from the President’s Sede like they do in their committee chairs, it would undoubtedly alienate those who were more conservative, but that is a terribly small price to pay for the gains that they would achieve by their reconciliation with progressives (at least from a progressive’s point of view). After all, don’t most progressives regard conservatives as hateful, bigoted little people who are not worthy of association, much less consideration?

It would be a definite, unambiguous signal as to the direction for the American Catholic Church, now wouldn’t it?

And that’s why I would love for them to be finalists. If either was elected then that would send a clear signal to American Catholics. On the other hand, if both were roundly rejected for the post by their brother bishops, that would also send an unambiguous signal. But since neither are now on the ballot nor likely ever will be on the ballot, there is ambiguity: are they generally supported for taking their positions? Or are they generally tolerated or ignored?

No caricature, no irony…

Oh, by the way, since you quoted the CCC, let me quote a paragraph back at you:

2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor’s thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way
Just sayin…
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Sorry. My bad. :o
 
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