Cardinal George on border kids: ‘We need to protect these abandoned children’

  • Thread starter Thread starter anthony022071
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
So how do you feel about Black People? Do you think the percentage of blacks of the population shrinks if Amnesty were granted? What about inner city youth?? If we spend so many billions to help out those coming across the border, how about those in the cities?
Honestly do a lot of kids in inner city help themselves out? Some people might say well they live in a bad environment, say Chicago or LA. But how much can you do when your own people don’t do anything to better themselves.
 
forty to fifty percent of these kids will expect to be allowed to stay in this country is what is being reported. Families are encouraging their families in El Salvador to send their relatives because they feel immigration will be allowed.

What is sad is the Catholic church is not asking that the Iraqi families whose men helped the US soldiers stay alive. Africa refugees, syrian refugees, gaza strip all you hear the Catholic church speak about is Catholic from South America.

The cost we will have to pay is something like this.
[foxnews.com/us/2014/07/16/feds-to-house-illegal-immigrants-at-multimillion-dollar-hotel/](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/16/feds-to-house-illegal-immigrants-at-multimillion-dollar-hotel/)
Um have you heard what the pope has said and done. He had the Israeli and Palestinian leadership to pray for cease fire. He has prayed and even sent money to Africa. He has asked for peace in Iraq and throughout the world. I would look up some facts before you say the church just worries about South America.
 
An invasion like nazi Germany did with Poland in 1939? That’s the same word that you used.
No, not like the Nazi invasion of Poland. Is that the only kind of invasion there is?

Per Bing:
  1. arrival in large numbers: the arrival of large numbers of people or things at one time
Yes, that sounds like this could be an invasion.

Ex. World Cup, American fans invade Brazil. Yes, that was an invasion even if it was a friendly one.
 
Don’t say “Republicanism.” Most establishment-type Republicans are fully supportive of totally open borders. At the same time, they don’t really want legalization.

Why? They want to drive labor costs down. If they can replace American employees with illegal employees, they can pay out a reduced hourly wage, pay that wage in cash (thereby not paying out payroll taxes), provide no benefits, and allow unsafe working conditions. If one of their illegal alien employees complain, they can simply report that employee to immigration and have that employee deported.

This situation provides these corporatist Republicans an opportunity to accomplish that goal.
So people hear say that democrats want this that and make republicans be out to be saviors. But you just said that republicans support employees who would rather pay lower wages to illegals. Your argument sounds confusing, especially for a catholic?
 
Honestly do a lot of kids in inner city help themselves out? Some people might say well they live in a bad environment, say Chicago or LA. But how much can you do when your own people don’t do anything to better themselves.
Do what our Federal Government is with the immigration problem, throw money at it.
 
No, not like the Nazi invasion of Poland. Is that the only kind of invasion there is?

Per Bing:

Yes, that sounds like this could be an invasion.

Ex. World Cup, American fans invade Brazil. Yes, that was an invasion even if it was a friendly one.
Would you consider what the people who have left their countries in recent years due to war in Iraq, Syria, Palestinian to be invasion their neighbors when the people leave for their safety?

Invasion normally means I come into a house, place, country and do damage, ie war. These people are not coming to conquer the USA ans make the USA a part of Honduras.
 
Do what our Federal Government is with the immigration problem, throw money at it.
But our government does help our inner kids. Granted is the money number right. No it’s not, but the government does try to help. Some of these kids, white, black, Hispanics rather go out and be in gangs and sell drugs, and commit crimes.

A lot of people rather take the easy way out, and I think the problem is the parents and home and not so much the government. Remember the government does have help for school as in grants and scholarships. But we see kids get pregnant young, be in jail or worse of all dead.
 
Would you consider what the people who have left their countries in recent years due to war in Iraq, Syria, Palestinian to be invasion their neighbors when the people leave for their safety?

Invasion normally means I come into a house, place, country and do damage, ie war. These people are not coming to conquer the USA ans make the USA a part of Honduras.
You simply asked what an invasion is. There are plenty of online dictionaries and in fact, what has occurred can be called an invasion.
2.“arrival in large numbers: the arrival of large numbers of people or things at one time.”
You seemingly want to say the definition of invasion is that of a country being invaded by a hostile force constituting a warlike action.
  1. attempt to conquer: a hostile entry by an armed force into a country’s territory, especially with the intention of conquering it. - Bing definition
It is what it is.
 
You simply asked what an invasion is. There are plenty of online dictionaries and in fact, what has occurred can be called an invasion.

You seemingly want to say the definition of invasion is that of a country being invaded by a hostile force constituting a warlike action.

It is what it is.
But you have to see the reasons for why they are coming. These people are not coming to cause harm, they are leaving from harm.
 
But our government does help our inner kids. Granted is the money number right. No it’s not, but the government does try to help. Some of these kids, white, black, Hispanics rather go out and be in gangs and sell drugs, and commit crimes.

A lot of people rather take the easy way out, and I think the problem is the parents and home and not so much the government. Remember the government does have help for school as in grants and scholarships. But we see kids get pregnant young, be in jail or worse of all dead.
Chicago Residents Hammer Obama On Immigration Spending, Plead For Help [VIDEO]
A group of protesters in Chicago called for action and heavily criticized President Obama for ignoring the high rates of violent crime in the city while spending billions of dollars to deal with an influx of illegal child immigrants into the U.S.
It may be that they disagree with your point.
 
But you have to see the reasons for why they are coming. These people are not coming to cause harm, they are leaving from harm.
It may be true in some cases, in the majority of cases it may well not be true.
 
It may be true in some cases, in the majority of cases it may well not be true.
A lot of people who are helping these kids will tell you, I’m here to help those who are here with good intentions. Those who come to cause problems, oh yeah send them back no questions asked.
 
Amen. Any Catholic hostility towards these children seems to be fueled by the false notion that Catholicism is the same as, or even superseded by, Republicanism. I simply don’t understand it otherwise 🤷
That is a good way to put what is happening. It seems if someone is a Republican Catholic, and agrees with the Bishops and leaders of the Catholic church instead of Republicans it is very upsetting to some. Almost as if Republicanism is a higher authority than the Church. I have found more hostility because I choose to agree with our Catholic leaders. I am Republican but I am Catholic first.
 
If we need to protect someone, I would think U.S. veterans who need medical care, and have been abused and “abandoned” by the VA. I don’t think it’s at all clear that these children are abandoned, or have been sent as a beachhead to drag the rest of the family into the U.S. I heard on the news today that 15% of the population of Honduras is now in the U.S. That’s not abandonment, that’s an invasion.
A lot of what is said on the news in one sided. Depending on which channel you watch you can get that point of view. I have found a better way to get an idea of what is going on is to google Catholic immigration. Many places and websites come up, including the USCCB and have a lot of good information. Another good thing to do is google poverty in these countries. We recently had a priest come and speak at our parish about the poverty there and it is nothing like anything in America. We have running water and bathrooms in most all of the poorest here. There they have not running water and drink and bathe in the same water they urinate and more in. He told us how if he didn’t have food for children when he would come to their villages he would have to almost hide because it was so hard to see their hunger and tears. We don’t know this kind of desperation and poverty in America.

I agree we should help the veterans also but why does it have to be either or, couldn’t there be help for both.
 
Thank you for your question. I feel about Black People exactly the same as I feel about all of us. The amount of money we have in North America should be ample to help the people in the inner cities as well as welcoming refugees. We, like many other nations, suffer from corruption at the top end. Which is why I don’t like to spend my money at Walmart, et. al. and prefer to support local businesses. (I realize that it seems off topic, but for me it isn’t.)
👍
 
Thank you for your question. I feel about Black People exactly the same as I feel about all of us. The amount of money we have in North America should be ample to help the people in the inner cities as well as welcoming refugees. We, like many other nations, suffer from corruption at the top end. Which is why I don’t like to spend my money at Walmart, et. al. and prefer to support local businesses. (I realize that it seems off topic, but for me it isn’t.)
So you equate people put in slavery and brought against their will as an invasion. Alright then and just so we don’t lose context to the original conversation,

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=12175773&postcount=5 The original post.
 
That is a good way to put what is happening. It seems if someone is a Republican Catholic, and agrees with the Bishops and leaders of the Catholic church instead of Republicans it is very upsetting to some. Almost as if Republicanism is a higher authority than the Church. I have found more hostility because I choose to agree with our Catholic leaders. I am Republican but I am Catholic first.
I fully agree with Cardinal George, we should protect these abandoned children but why wait until they get to the Border, some have perished on the way, some fall prey to the Coyotes and other unscrupulous criminals and save them from having to travel across the whole of the country of Mexico. Perhaps we should consider sending jets to Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. Find them there and then fly them back. That would save them from this hardship and would also keep them away from the general surge of undocumented persons at the border.
 
I fully agree with Cardinal George, we should protect these abandoned children but why wait until they get to the Border, some have perished on the way, some fall prey to the Coyotes and other unscrupulous criminals and save them from having to travel across the whole of the country of Mexico. Perhaps we should consider sending jets to Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. Find them there and then fly them back. That would save them from this hardship and would also keep them away from the general surge of undocumented persons at the border.
Well, I don’t know about the airplane part. Maybe?, but I agree we definitely should help them before they perish just trying to make that journey. I read an article that they are finding dead bodies in the Rio Grande River. A priest said recently to remember that just as Jesus is with each of us that he too is with each of those adults and children coming this way and he cares about each of them individually as he does us and how important it is to pray for them and do for them as we would do for Him.
 
So people hear say that democrats want this that and make republicans be out to be saviors. But you just said that republicans support employees who would rather pay lower wages to illegals. Your argument sounds confusing, especially for a catholic?
No, I did not say “Republicans” – I said “Establishment-type Republicans.” There is a difference.
 
Well, I don’t know about the airplane part. Maybe?, but I agree we definitely should help them before they perish just trying to make that journey. I read an article that they are finding dead bodies in the Rio Grande River. A priest said recently to remember that just as Jesus is with each of us that he too is with each of those adults and children coming this way and he cares about each of them individually as he does us and how important it is to pray for them and do for them as we would do for Him.
So it sounds like you are talking about totally open borders. And now you are speaking about adults too.

Let’s not forget the man from Honduras who was processed and released just at the end of June who is accused of having committed murder after coming to the US in just the last 2 weeks. He had 2 children with him he was able to “claim” were his own and give an address of a “claimed” relative in the US and was able to go on his way.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690881/Illegal-immigrant-run-three-children-police-say-murdered-25-year-old-girlfriend-left-body-bathtub.html

breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/07/16/Exclusive-Released-Alien-from-Border-Crisis-Arrested-For-Alleged-Murder-Kidnapping-in-Texas

Also, it’s being said that 80+% of the children are males. And of course, it’s been reported some may have gang ties.

Obama did not get his DREAM act passed, in retaliation he let up on enforcement of the Border.

Maybe Cardinal George will comment on how encouraging illegal immigration likewise can see organizing crime profit and a number of hardships such as death and sexual assault occur against the Migrants.

Let’s not forget, 165, that’s right that many, One Hundred Sixty Five migrants were kidnapped in Mexico, thank God they were rescued but it does show what happens.

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/10960891/Mexican-police-rescue-165-kidnapped-migrants.html
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top