Cardinal Kasper asks prayers for Synod, says 'a battle is going on' [CC]

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Cardinal Walter Kasper has asked the faithful to pray for the success of the October 2015 meeting of the Synod of Bishops, "because a battle is going on."Cardinal Kasper-- who played a …

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from the article:
"Cardinal Kasper-- who played a leading role in the 2014 Synod meeting, arguing that divorced and remarried Catholics should be allowed to receive the Eucharist under some circumstances—said that the Synod will face the challenge of articulating a position “which will not be a rupture with tradition, but a doctrine that is a development of tradition.”

The German cardinal made his request for prayers as he introduced a new book, Pope Francis’s Revolution of Tenderness and Love."

Pope St. Pius X, Pascendi
"13. Dogma is not only able, but ought to evolve and to be changed. This is strongly affirmed by the Modernists, and clearly flows from their principles. For among the chief points of their teaching is the following, which they deduce from the principle of vital immanence, namely, that religious formulas if they are to be really religious and not merely intellectual speculations, ought to be living and to live the life of the religious sense. This is not to be understood to mean that these formulas, especially if merely imaginative, were to be invented for the religious sense. Their origin matters nothing, any more than their number or quality. What is necessary is that the religious sense – with some modification when needful – should vitally assimilate them. In other words, it is necessary that the primitive formula be accepted and sanctioned by the heart; and similarly the subsequent work from which are brought forth the .secondary formulas must proceed under the guidance of the heart. Hence it comes that these formulas, in order to be living, should be, and should remain, adapted to the faith and to him who believes. Wherefore, if for any reason this adaptation should cease to exist, they lose their first meaning and accordingly need to be changed. In view of the fact that the character and lot of dogmatic formulas are so unstable, it is no wonder that Modernists should regard them so lightly and in such open disrespect, and have no consideration or praise for anything but the religious sense and for the religious life. In this way, with consummate audacity, they criticize the Church, as having strayed from the true path by failing to distinguish between the religious and moral sense of formulas and their surface meaning, and by clinging vainly and tenaciously to meaningless formulas, while religion itself is allowed to go to ruin. "Blind’- they are, and “leaders of the blind” puffed up with the proud name of science, they have reached that pitch of folly at which they pervert the eternal concept of truth and the true meaning of religion; in introducing a new system in which "they are seen to be under the sway of a blind and unchecked passion for novelty, thinking not at all of finding some solid foundation of truth, but despising the holy and apostolic traditions, they embrace other and vain, futile, uncertain doctrines, unapproved by the Church, on which, in the height of their vanity, they think they can base and maintain truth itself."8
Read the entire encyclical here papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10pasce.htm

I am praying, Cardinal Kasper. I am praying for the Church to stand fast, with all mercy and Truth.
 
chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1351011?eng=y

The Synod Market Index. Kasper Down, Caffarra Up
Even Pope Francis is distancing himself from the former and taking sides with the latter. And staying on good terms with Cardinal Müller. And promoting the African Sarah. All unyielding defenders of the Catholic doctrine on marriage
by Sandro Magister

patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2015/03/pope-francis-enthusiasm-for-kasper-is-waning.html

Pope Francis’ Enthusiasm for Kasper is Waning
March 21, 2015 by Fr. Dwight Longenecker
 
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Cardinal Kasper’s proposals are not a development, but a denial of doctrine.
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Vatican observer Sandro Magister believes Pope Francis’ enthusiasm for Cardinal Kasper is waning. He notices that Cardinal Gerhard Müller, prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine for the Faith and the most authoritative of the five cardinals of the anti-Kasper pre-synod book, continues to speak out against a subtle Christological heresy which consists in separating doctrine from pastoral practice.
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Here is another article saying essentially the same thing as the link in the prior post when applied to Newman’s (7) Tests of Authentic Development:
  1. Acceptance of Communion for divorced and remarried persons does **not ** preserve the type of marriage, which entails indissolubility. The type of marriage with Christ’s permanent love for the Church, his bride, is broken.
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  1. This new doctrine establishes a new principle, namely that in some cases marriage is dissoluble; marriage is not permanent. There is thus a discontinuity with earlier doctrine.
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  1. The proposed doctrine seems to assimilate the Christian practice of mercy and forgiveness, but** it contradicts others **such as justice with regard to the obligations that derive from the nature of marriage. It is doubtful that it can pass the test of assimilative power.
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  1. Communion in these circumstances does not follow the penitential practice present since the early Church by which a person in a state of sin must leave the situation of sin and follow a path of conversion before being reconciled to the Church, thus coming into Communion.
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  1. Christ’s teaching about the permanence of marriage and the sin of adultery does **not **anticipate in any way this new doctrine of divorce and remarriage, and less of Communion for those who are sadly in this situation.
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  1. Admission to Communion of divorced persons who have entered a second bond does not have a protective action on the practice of marriage in the Church. Instead of having a conservative action, it weakens marriage by removing one of the consequences to divorce and remarriage.
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  1. Newman would also argue that the proposed doctrine would not add vitality to the Christian reality of sacramental marriage. On the contrary, the practice of divorce and remarriage, and in some places of Communion for persons divorced and remarried, have become more accepted.
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Given this analysis, it is very doubtful that the doctrine on Communion for divorced and remarried persons proposed by Cardinal Walter Kasper can be considered authentic development of doctrine.
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catholicworldreport.com/Item/3490/Cardinal_Newman_the_Synod_and_the_Kasper_Proposal.aspx
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Praying for the Holy Spirit to guide Cardinal Kasper and the rest of these men in their endeavors.

Come Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful and kindle in them the fire of your love. Send forth your Spirit and they shall be created. And You shall renew the face of the earth.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Cardinal Kasper Braces for Synod ‘Battle’

By Father Dwight Longnecker

m.ncregister.com/daily-news/cardinal-kasper-braces-for-synod-battle/
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Here is Cardinal Caffarra as quoted in the National Catholic Register article:

“Those who advance this hypothesis do not have an answer to a very simple question: what about the first marriage, ratified and consummated? The proposed solution leads one to think that the first marriage remains intact, but that there is also a second form of cohabitation that the Church legitimizes. Therefore there is an extramarital exercise of human sexuality that the Church considers legitimate. But with this comes a denial of the cornerstone of the Church’s teaching on sexuality."
 
Oh we are praying, Cardinal Kasper - every single day that the Lord purify the hearts and minds of the Magisterium; that the truth which the Church has always taught and believed be preserved until the end of the age.
 
Most of us following along with the Synod journey never saw the Pope as ‘supporting Card. Kaspers proposal’… we recognised that the Pope was supporting the presentation of Card. Kaspers ideas as an important element of the whole discussion about communion and the remarried. We well know that there are some forces who resisted any exploration or even mention of the topic whatsoever and Pope Francis having faith that this wound in body of the Church needs to be addressed under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, was in battle against those ‘inflexibly hostile’ forces.

This is not a case of Pope Francis ‘support of CK’s proposal’, waning. I suspect that when we again hear from those trying to silence all discussion on the topic… they’ll jump on Pope Francis again for ‘supporting the proposal’. Such silly political journalism.
 
St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen…

St. Michael the Archangel, defend the Holy Catholic Church from within. Defend against the wickedness that twists the truth of Christ. By the power of God, cast out all the evil spirits in the coming Synod, Amen and Amen!!
 
The priests are right to insist that doctrine and practice must remain in harmony.

Doctrine cannot be changed. And practice must not contradict doctrine.
 
LongingSoul said:
Most of us following along with the Synod journey never saw the Pope as ‘supporting Card. Kaspers proposal’… we recognised that the Pope was supporting the presentation of Card. Kaspers ideas as an important element of the whole discussion about communion and the remarried. We well know that there are some forces who resisted any exploration or even mention of the topic whatsoever and Pope Francis having faith that this wound in body of the Church needs to be addressed under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, was in battle against those ‘inflexibly hostile’ forces.

This is not a case of Pope Francis ‘support of CK’s proposal’, waning. I suspect that when we again hear from those trying to silence all discussion on the topic… they’ll jump on Pope Francis again for ‘supporting the proposal’. Such silly political journalism.
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LongingSoul, in all charity ideas that border on heresy have no place in the discussion. They confuse the issue and present a false narative which, when grabbed by the media and those who are opposed to the perinial teachings of the Church, causes confusion and scandal.
 
Pulvis said:
LongingSoul, in all charity ideas that border on heresy have no place in the discussion. They confuse the issue and present a false narative which, when grabbed by the media and those who are opposed to the perinial teachings of the Church, causes confusion and scandal.
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I could also say that there is no place in the discussion for the hostile and inflexible that don’t want to allow the Holy Spirit to guide the Church. Pope Francis invited Cardinal Kasper to introduce his ideas. That needs to be respected.
 
LongingSoul said:
I could also say that there is no place in the discussion for the hostile and inflexible that don’t want to allow the Holy Spirit to guide the Church. Pope Francis invited Cardinal Kasper to introduce his ideas. That needs to be respected.
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Of course. But one can’t blame those who still remember Pope Paul’s asking moral theologians to discuss the matter dealing with ABC, then deciding against their pro-ABC vote in his final determination. A lot of false hopes went down the drain and a lot left the church or ignored HV. Was all that necessary?
 
ProVobis said:
Of course. But one can’t blame those who still remember Pope Paul’s asking moral theologians to discuss the matter dealing with ABC, then deciding against their pro-ABC vote in his final determination. A lot of false hopes went down the drain and a lot left the church or ignored HV. Was all that necessary?
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But do you not also remember the crowd of strong opposition to the whole idea of family planning at all that wanted to dominate in that discussion of family planning? They wanted the Church to ban even periodic abstinence around the natural cycle ie. what we now refer to as NFP.

Through that discussion, it was clarified further what ‘contraception’ really meant. It is not what the ultra trads try to claim. I see these discussions as terribly important for the Church and the lives of the faithful. We want Gods truth to shine through… not to have the ultra libs and ultra trads dictate what is and isn’t teaching.
 
Pulvis said:
LongingSoul, in all charity ideas that border on heresy have no place in the discussion. They confuse the issue and present a false narative which, when grabbed by the media and those who are opposed to the perinial teachings of the Church, causes confusion and scandal.
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Remember when Arius had a say at Nicea? Was the Church tap-dancing on a doctrinal land mine there as well?
 
LongingSoul said:
I could also say that there is no place in the discussion for the hostile and inflexible that don’t want to allow the Holy Spirit to guide the Church.
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Just maybe those who you say are “hostile and inflexible” don’t actually believe that some of the *“proposals” *being offered are even under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Peace, Mark***
 
LongingSoul said:
I could also say that there is no place in the discussion for the hostile and inflexible that don’t want to allow the Holy Spirit to guide the Church. Pope Francis invited Cardinal Kasper to introduce his ideas. That needs to be respected.
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Correct, and the Pope called for open and honest debate, which includes having others point out where they felt that Cardinal Kasper erred. In fact, since the call was for open debate, it would have been an act of disobedience to hold back any reservations that a bishop had over +Kasper’s proposal.

That gives Cardinal Kasper the opportunity to either clarify his premise to address the counter points or to retract it.

That is exactly what honest debate is all about, and if you doubt that, read the Summa, Aquinas was a master at it.
 
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