Cardinal Kasper to meet with Russian Orthodox Patriarch

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Cardinal Kasper to meet with Russian Orthodox Patriarch

Vatican City, May 26, 2008 / 05:31 pm (CNA).- The president of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity, Cardinal Walter Kasper, is in Russia to meet with the Catholic community there and with Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexis II.

The Holy See said the purpose of the trip, “in addition to a personal meeting Cardinal Kasper will have with the Catholic community in Moscow and with top officials of the Russian Orthodox Church, is to make contact with some of the religions and cultural treasures of the Russian tradition.”

The visit to Russia will end on May 30. Among the activities scheduled during his visit is a Corpus Domini Mass at the Mother of God Cathedral in Moscow, a pilgrimage to Kazan and a visit to the Monastery of Diveevo, where he will venerate the relics of St. Seraphim of Sarof, one of the most famous Russian hermit saints.

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Hesychios said:
NEWS:

Cardinal Kasper to meet with Russian Orthodox Patriarch

Vatican City, May 26, 2008 / 05:31 pm (CNA).- The president of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity, Cardinal Walter Kasper, is in Russia to meet with the Catholic community there and with Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexis II.

The Holy See said the purpose of the trip, “in addition to a personal meeting Cardinal Kasper will have with the Catholic community in Moscow and with top officials of the Russian Orthodox Church, is to make contact with some of the religions and cultural treasures of the Russian tradition.”

The visit to Russia will end on May 30. Among the activities scheduled during his visit is a Corpus Domini Mass at the Mother of God Cathedral in Moscow, a pilgrimage to Kazan and a visit to the Monastery of Diveevo, where he will venerate the relics of St. Seraphim of Sarof, one of the most famous Russian hermit saints.

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Why do the Orthodox always wear black and shun the Roman garb of black and white?
 
bobzills said:
Thank you. Here is a picture of the meeting and a link to the article:“Pope Praises Closer Orthodox Ties.”
themoscowtimes.com/article/1010/42/367899.htm
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What I found significant (for eastern Catholics especially) was the mention that Cardinal Kasper would* venerate* the relics of St Seraphim. It did not simply state that he would visit the monastery or the tombsite. I was wondering if that was a misquote.

I know that some eastern Catholics would do the same, but others might not. An act of veneration is unmistakeable, and the intention seems to have been announced in advance.

The question sometimes comes up around here whether it is permissable or appropriate for Catholics to venerate saints of another church which did not or does not recognize Papal authority or Latin dogmatic pronouncements.

Cardinal Kasper (with Pope Benedicts approval, no doubt) seems to indicate with this act that it is OK.

What is so striking is the contrast of this act of veneration with the spirit of Cantate Domino:

“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church” (Cantate Domino,” 1441).

The link I provide seems to indicate that this is an Ex Cathedra statement, but I am not able to comment on that.

Cardinal Kasper has some supporters and easily as many detractors, but in this capacity he represents the Supreme Pontiff. He could be removed for any reason, or none, but has served in this capacity under two Popes now. Am I reading more into this act of a key Cardinal of the church than I should be?

Michael
 
Michael,

It cannot be an Ex Cathedra statement because we have early Saints who were not baptized and shed their blood for the Church by witnessing the Martyrdom of another Saint.

“We’re Christians too!”
then
CHOP!
 
Contrast the quote with these two:

“We declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which holds that the Blessed Virgin Mary, at the first instant of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace of the Omnipotent God, in virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of mankind, was preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin, has been revealed by God, and therefore should firmly and constantly be believed by all the faithful.”

“By the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority, we pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.”
 
Hesychios said:
What I found significant (for eastern Catholics especially) was the mention that Cardinal Kasper would* venerate* the relics of St Seraphim. It did not simply state that he would visit the monastery or the tombsite. I was wondering if that was a misquote.
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No, I don’t believe it’s a misquote.

I found this from the ByzCath website to be helpful.
 
Forgive those of us who are old enough to have lived through Ostpolitik to be skeptical and less than enthralled.
 
What that decree says (and, mind you it comes from the Council of Florence a reunion Council which the separated Eastern bishops first signed onto and later repudiated) is that one must be joined to the Church before death in order to be saved. If the individual in question was in good faith in regards to his status (that is, not culpable for an act of schism), or he repented of it before the moment of death, by virtue of his baptism he would indeed be joined to the Church and salvation would be possible.
 
Hesychios said:
What I found significant (for eastern Catholics especially) was the mention that Cardinal Kasper would* venerate* the relics of St Seraphim. It did not simply state that he would visit the monastery or the tombsite. I was wondering if that was a misquote.

I know that some eastern Catholics would do the same, but others might not. An act of veneration is unmistakeable, and the intention seems to have been announced in advance.

The question sometimes comes up around here whether it is permissable or appropriate for Catholics to venerate saints of another church which did not or does not recognize Papal authority or Latin dogmatic pronouncements.

Cardinal Kasper (with Pope Benedicts approval, no doubt) seems to indicate with this act that it is OK.

What is so striking is the contrast of this act of veneration with the spirit of Cantate Domino:

“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church” (Cantate Domino,” 1441).

The link I provide seems to indicate that this is an Ex Cathedra statement, but I am not able to comment on that.

Cardinal Kasper has some supporters and easily as many detractors, but in this capacity he represents the Supreme Pontiff. He could be removed for any reason, or none, but has served in this capacity under two Popes now. Am I reading more into this act of a key Cardinal of the church than I should be?

Michael
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A Corpus Domini Mass in the Mother of God Cathedral?

Don’t the canons of the Orthodox Church prohibit the services of heretical/schismatic groups being celebrated in an Orthodox temple, much less a Cathedral?
 
Genesis315 said:
What that decree says (and, mind you it comes from the Council of Florence a reunion Council which the separated Eastern bishops first signed onto and later repudiated) is that one must be joined to the Church before death in order to be saved. If the individual in question was in good faith in regards to his status (that is, not culpable for an act of schism), or he repented of it before the moment of death, by virtue of his baptism he would indeed be joined to the Church and salvation would be possible.
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It says: “…nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
 
Madaglan said:
A Corpus Domini Mass in the Mother of God Cathedral?

Don’t the canons of the Orthodox Church prohibit the services of heretical/schismatic groups being celebrated in an Orthodox temple, much less a Cathedral?
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Another contradiction found in the teaching of a Church?
 
Madaglan said:
A Corpus Domini Mass in the Mother of God Cathedral?

Don’t the canons of the Orthodox Church prohibit the services of heretical/schismatic groups being celebrated in an Orthodox temple, much less a Cathedral?
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Yes, if your assumption is correct!

But the Cathedral of the Mother of God is the cathedral Church of the Catholic Archdiocese of Moscow.

There are three other Catholic dioceses and one Apostolic Prefecture throughout the Russian Federation.

The Cathedral of the Russian Orthodox Church in Moscow, which was completed in 2000, is the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour.
 
Amadeus said:
Yes, if your assumption is correct!

But the Cathedral of the Mother of God is the cathedral Church of the Catholic Archdiocese of Moscow.

There are three other Catholic dioceses and one Apostolic Prefecture throughout the Russian Federation.
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Ahhhh, ok. My mistake. I assumed, since it was in a list of Orthodox places, that it was an Orthodox Cathedral, but I was wrong.
 
Madaglan said:
Ahhhh, ok. My mistake. I assumed, since it was in a list of Orthodox places, that it was an Orthodox Cathedral, but I was wrong.
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Just to clarify, having been slow in editing my previous post, the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour, completed recently in 2000, is the cathedral Church of the Russian Orthodox Church-MP in Moscow.
 
Amadeus said:
Just to clarify, having been slow in editing my previous post, the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour, completed recently in 2000, is the cathedral Church of the Russian Orthodox Church-MP in Moscow.
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Yes, that sounds right. I’ve seen pictures of it recently I believe.
 
Dear friends, I can’t judge about the dogmas and so on. What I want to say is that in our regions the politicians are using very much the Church and that makes it vulnerable and weak. if we remember the history, the Russian revolution, led by judeo communists changed the whole world to bad and if we remember those kids in Portugal, Mother Mary appeared to them and told them that the world will change to good, when Russia changes.
Let us pray for Russia and Russian church and for the unite Christ’s church !
 
For judeo communists you just read " The Protocols of Jewish men of wisdom "…
 
unfortunatelly masonry exist…and become stronger. there is really an organized group of people, looking around for means to disorder the Church, to falsify the Truth. those who you see as liberals, fighters for intelectual freedom, fighters for more individual rights, etc. are really well organized people having in mind one single target - the Holly Catholic Church and the Christ the Saviour ! they destroyed orthodox church after the communist revolution, now they are very active to make difficulties in communication between two sister Churches !
masonry was established by jews, but now other people also participate.
i am not anti semit. i know personally several jews Christians . i like to talk with them about Jesus ! they have strong passion to preach for Jesus !
 
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