Cardinal Müller to be removed from top Vatican doctrinal post

[graciew]

Regardless, if he was reassigned, anything else would be a demotion at this point. Prefects of the CDF don’t just take up lesser Curial posts.

This is service,twf.
It isn t a corporation or an enterprise where they apply for a job,get promoted,demoted,sacked or get a bonus .
They are men of God ,and they serve.
It is useless to try and understand their vocation like a career.
Who knows,one might even be very grateful to have the chance to be reassigned.
. And also to have had the opportunity to serve there as in different places for some purpose or the other and that is it. Give thanks and move on.
Their lives are detatched like this,aren’ t they?

 

[poche]

That in itself isn’t unusual… what is HIGHLY unusual is retiring a cardinal at the age of 69. We have much older cardinals serving in the Curia or running dioceses. Unless His Eminence has severe health issues that have not been disclosed, this is extremely odd.

Maybe he needs the rest.

 

[poche]

I tend to trust the judgement of Fr. Z.

Fr Z also links to the following article by John-Henry Westen…
Timeline suggests reasons for Pope’s dismissal of conservative from top Vatican doctrine post
lifesitenews.com/news/timeline-suggests-reasons-for-popes-dismissal-of-conservative-from-top-vati

With Ladaria’s choice - nominated as secretary of the “Supreme” by Pope Ratzinger - as successor to the outgoing Prefect, it is evident that Francis does not intend to revolutionize the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

lastampa.it/2017/07/02/vaticaninsider/eng/the-vatican/the-pope-does-not-renew-cardinal-mllers-mandate-ZaZxGdiHZdOOQ055fCCLnJ/pagina.html

 

[pnewton]

I think you’re mistaken. That’s not Fr. Z calling him that. But rather, *Roberto de Mattei * calling him Pope Bergoglio.in the article from the site Corrispondenza Romana which Fr. Z linked.

Peace, Mark

I did not say he did. I said he linked LSN. He also did not dismiss that rather partisan piece but called it a summary and said, "It is interesting, though painful reading. That we should live to see these times. "

The part above he linked. Contrast that with the way he posts something he does not agree with:

Speaking of tasteless and adding a dash of hysteria, here is the Wile E. Coyote of the catholic Left at the Fishwrap (aka National Sodomitic Reporter), the bloodthirsty Michael Sean Winters:

 

[pnewton]

It’s also common for Italian writers to refer to ALL Popes by their last name.

I have been posting here for thirteen years, which included a whole lot of Italian articles. This is the first time I have ever seen this, as opposed to probably a hundred times I have seen the Pope addressed correctly and with respect.

But that is not the point. My bigger point is that linking people with clear bias and agendas does not exactly lend trust to such people. has anyone actually stopped to consider that there is something behind this besides, “Cardinal Mueller is great because he is a conservative like me and the Pope doesn’t like conservatives?” This attitude is no better than the first quote Fr. Z. gave saying the Cardinal need to learn humility. All this assuming, opinionating and pontificating, ignores our ignorance of the situation.

I may be naive, but I would rather be naive than rash.

 

[I_trust]

Marco Tosatti at First Things (link below)…

The relationship between Müller and the pope was never warm. A couple of years into the pontificate, it got worse. If I comb through my notes, I see that Francis was talking with Benedict XVI in 2015, and asked casually: “What if I change the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith before the end of his mandate?” “You are the pope,” answered Benedict, “you do what you like.” “Very good, but …?” pressed Francis. “It would be a real revolution,” concluded Benedict, “something not feasible.” And there the matter rested, until this month…

Then came the dubia of the four cardinals: Walter Brandmüller, Raymond Burke, Carlo Caffarra, and Joachim Meisner (recently deceased). I think that the pope always suspected that behind this operation was Cardinal Müller, too. This suspicion—perhaps even the hypothesis that Müller was the real author of the dubia—might have put the seal on the decision to dismiss him…

Then the same thing, more or less, happened to him. The cardinal told his story to a German newspaper, the Passauer Neue Presse. In an interview, he said that the pontiff had “communicated his decision” not to renew his appointment “within one minute” of the end of the last day of his five-year term as prefect. As in the case of the three priests, Müller was given no reason for his dismissal. “This style I cannot accept,” Müller declared, adding that in Rome, too, “the Church’s social teaching should be applied.”

firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2017/07/the-good-soldier

 

[Ender]

Marco Tosatti at First Things (link below)…

firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2017/07/the-good-soldier

If the author’s description is accurate, and I have no way of judging it, it would not reflect well on the pope.

Ender

 

[Rau]

Marco Tosatti at First Things (link below)…

firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2017/07/the-good-soldier

A disturbing article.

 

[pnewton]

Marco Tosatti at First Things (link below)…

Then came the dubia of the four cardinals: Walter Brandmüller, Raymond Burke, Carlo Caffarra, and Joachim Meisner (recently deceased). I think that the pope always suspected that behind this operation was Cardinal Müller, too. This suspicion—perhaps even the hypothesis that Müller was the real author of the dubia—might have put the seal on the decision to dismiss him…

How is this not gossip?

 

[Seamus_L]

Cardinal Muller openly opposed the Dubia, but he did interpret Amoris Laetitia in a way that was contrary to the opinions of a number of Bishops who are now quite popular with Pope Francis.

 

[Vico]

It will be interesting to see who the replacement is.

Archbishop Luis Francisco Ladaria Ferrer, S.J., Secretary of Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, was appointed as Prefect of Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, President of Pontifical Biblical Commission, President of Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” and President of International Theological Commission

 

[Randolph]

Cardinal Muller openly opposed the Dubia, but he did interpret Amoris Laetitia in a way that was contrary to the opinions of a number of Bishops who are now quite popular with Pope Francis.

I admire and respect Cardinal Muller. I believe he is among many cardinals and bishops who have upheld and defended the teachings of Christ and the Magisterium. He have given his life for the Church, and his service to the Church has been no less exemplary and courageous.

With utmost respect, I believe his public opposition to the Dubia was a bad move. A papal clarification is absolutely needed. How would he now, or in the future, go about seeking it or even discussing it? There is no doubt that more statements from national conferences, Cardinals and bishops allowing and even encouraging Holy communion for unrepented adulterers will be forthcoming.

The in-fightings will be brutal, and the divisions within the Church will be even wider. All of these things harm the credibility and the unity of the Church. If the reason for Cardinal Muller’s opposition was loyalty to his boss wihile working as a Prefect for the administration, then remaining silent would have been a better move–as being carried out by Cardinal Sarah and other Cardinals and bishops.

 

[twf]

I admire and respect Cardinal Muller. I believe he is among many cardinals and bishops who have upheld and defended the teachings of Christ and the Magisterium. He have given his life for the Church, and his service to the Church has been no less exemplary and courageous.

With utmost respect, I believe his public opposition to the Dubia was a bad move. A papal clarification is absolutely needed. How would he now, or in the future, go about seeking it or even discussing it? There is no doubt that more statements from national conferences, Cardinals and bishops allowing and even encouraging Holy communion for unrepented adulterers will be forthcoming.

The in-fightings will be brutal, and the divisions within the Church will be even wider. All of these things harm the credibility and the unity of the Church. If the reason for Cardinal Muller’s opposition was loyalty to his boss wihile working as a Prefect for the administration, then remaining silent would have been a better move–as being carried out by Cardinal Sarah and other Cardinals and bishops.

And it didn’t help him in the end. He’s been prematurely retired. Unheard of for such a young Cardinal to be put on the back burner…but the Pope can use or not use any cardinal as he sees fit.

 

[Randolph]

And it didn’t help him in the end. He’s been prematurely retired. Unheard of for such a young Cardinal to be put on the back burner…but the Pope can use or not use any cardinal as he sees fit.

So far, it seems that way. The same fate has also been designated for Cardinal Burke. No one, not even their adversaries, doubts their proven talent, ability and leadership. Their faith and obedience to Christ and the Magisterium is beyond question. The Church has always needed all these things and in particular these types of cardinals. Yet, these two good cardinals have now been brushed aside. This is quite sad and tragic. What wrongs/crimes have they committed other than faithfully serving the Church and defending the teachings of Christ and the Magisterium??

I remember when Cardinal Kasper had sharp, theological disputes with Cardinal Ratzinger–very same issues that are being fought over recently. And yet, in April 2005 almost immediately after his papal election, Pope Benedict assigned Cardinal Kasper to be the president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. With this grand gesture, Pope Benedict showed that it was not a matter of theological disputes, nor personal resentments, that was important. Rather, it is a matter of faithfully serving the Church. Unfortunately, the same treatment can not be said for fate of Cardinal Burke and Cardinal Muller.

Let’s us continue to pray for Cardinal Muller, for Cardinal Burke and for the Church.

 

[ProdigalSun]

Plus wasn’t one of the things Francis promised to do was to clean up the Curia? Seems the easiest way to do that is to sack all the old guys no?

What a nasty thing to say about another Human being. Shame on you!