Cardinal Pell charged and must return

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StudentMI said:
Did you even bother to read the documents? He propositioned a minor. He sat a child on his lap and kisses and hugged him. He has a decade long paper trail of admissions and reports from his supervisor showing he was troubled and potentially dangerous.

Are you kidding me?
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Oh, I’ve read the documents. I’ve also read his blog (typed on paper on a manual typewriter, snail mailed to a friend, who transcribes it by hand and publishes it on the web). I’ve also read the court case, the articles of Dorothy Rabinowitz, “Priests Falsely Accused” by David Pierre. So, kindly do not wag your finger at me until YOU have considered all sides of the account.

Besides, say for the sake of argument I concede MacCrae to you, what about Shero and Englehardt? What about that comic tragedy that is the Philadelphia legal system?
 
StudentMI said:
Roseeurekacross;14746161:
David Risdale is the nephew of Gerard Risdale.

What are you speaking about? About this?/QUOTE]

No. About how David Ridsdale sent a letter to Cardinal Pell informing him his uncle (Gerald) had molested him at the same time Pell was informed Ridsdale was molesting kids in the diocese. Pell’s response to David was basically “how much money do you want?”
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Got any proof of those accusations?
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Cardinal Pell’s situation is very sad. I pray he’s innocent, that he receives a fair trial, and that things go well for him. But however much we may hate it, this situation wasn’t created by the press, by liberals, by Freemasons or by Catholic laity. It was created and carefully nurtured by the Cardinal’s brother clergy, priests, bishops and popes alike, who cared more about an institution than its people. For many reasons the Catholic priesthood rarely attracts, or keeps, the best of the best. But the Church must have priests, so seminaries pass along too many men whose emotional immaturity make them unfit for a “normal”, secular lifestyle.

More and more I’m inclined to believe the culture that makes this possible is “the Devil’s Smoke” that is supposed to infiltrate the Church. Will the Church prevail? Of course it will. But I’m afraid it will be a long, bumpy ride with suffering for everyone.
 
billsannie said:
It was created and carefully nurtured by the Cardinal’s brother clergy, priests, bishops and popes alike, who cared more about an institution than its people
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I would not go as high as the pope. There is zero evidence any pope was involved in pedophilia. However, I do agree that most of our outrage (all of mine) should be directed at those who actually molest children.

It is even hard for me to be angry at those who in good faith moved a priest attempting to rehabilitate him (if that was the motive, since I lack the omniscience to read hearts). Likewise, it is hard to be angry at psychologist, psychiatrist and researchers that have taken so long to realized the difficulty in rehabilitation.
 
Logically said:
With Jehovah’s Witnesses, if an elder is found guilty of child sexual abuse he is typically disfellowshipped (expelled from the congregation and shunned) . Even if he is allowed to return eventually, he is ineligible of ever holding a position of authority in the congregation again. (That is regardless of whether the victim wants to press charges or not)

Is it similar with the Catholic church?
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Sometimes even an accusation will result in altered work assignment, but yes, a pedophile priest who is proven guilty is not allowed to continue in pastoral work within a parish. Understand that most of the cases of moving priests around or sending a priest on to another parish after treatment stems from a time when we thought we could treat most all forms of mental illness. Since we are looking back at cases decades old, we have to judge based on information available then, not what we know today.
 
StudentMI said:
And comparing him to Jesus? Please.
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Yes, No one said he was Jesus, but there are comparisons. And if you have not yet learned that persecution and schemes of the Satan can beset one who follows Christ, increasing the more we risk for Jesus, then I pray you will learn this as you get older, but for the best of reasons.

Whether this is the case with Cardinal Pell, or he is reaping the result of bad decisions, or it is just a by-product of the society he lives, remains to be seen.
 
Crusaderbear said:
Let the law take its course. He says he has done nothing wrong, I believe him, unless the court can prove otherwise. The delay in charges is very suspicious, I hope the accusers will actually step forward and not be anonymous, as in many of yhese cases.
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Praying for the truth .And for all the Catholics of my diocese
 
Crusaderbear said:
Let the law take its course. He says he has done nothing wrong, I believe him, unless the court can prove otherwise. The delay in charges is very suspicious, I hope the accusers will actually step forward and not be anonymous, as in many of yhese cases.
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Today, on the liberal-left ABC radio in Australia the presenter stated that Cardinal Pell now had the opportunity to “prove his innocence”.

See?

They have already reversed the burden of proof !

Link: abc.net.au/am/content/2016/s4694134.htm
 
Does anyone know how they get around statue of limitations on crimes like these, where the incidents happened decades ago? I was under the assumption murder was the only crime that had no statue of limitations, and most other crimes had anywhere from 7-18 yr limitations.
 
mikekle said:
Does anyone know how they get around statue of limitations on crimes like these, where the incidents happened decades ago? I was under the assumption murder was the only crime that had no statue of limitations, and most other crimes had anywhere from 7-18 yr limitations.
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Australia isn’t the US. They removed the statute of limitations on pedophilia some time ago.
 
pnewton said:
Yes, No one said he was Jesus, but there are comparisons. And if you have not yet learned that persecution and schemes of the Satan can beset one who follows Christ, increasing the more we risk for Jesus, then I pray you will learn this as you get older, but for the best of reasons.

Whether this is the case with Cardinal Pell, or he is reaping the result of bad decisions, or it is just a by-product of the society he lives, remains to be seen.
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Yeah the post I quoted literally paralleled Pell and Christ as if they were similar. So… That’s called a comparison.
 
StudentMI said:
Yeah the post I quoted literally paralleled Pell and Christ as if they were similar. So… That’s called a comparison.
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So what is the problem with the comparison in this limited sense? That is what I do not understand. It was the “Please” part I do not understand, not the word comparison.
 
abucs said:
You present this as a fact and do not include Pell’s strong denials.
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Strong denial, meet strong allegations.

That’s why we have courts. I’m pretty sure Australia has a fair legal system, so I will pass on commenting one way or the other until the court has ruled.
 
Why does no one refer to Matthew 18:6?

"But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea. "
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
Why does no one refer to Matthew 18:6?

"But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea. "
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I would not quote it because of what the verse means. Ask yourself, “Why would is it better?” Because such a one will face the judgment of God for this. I understand that the judgment of Jesus will be perfect as God alone knows the hearts of men and the truth of all matters. I do not see how this can apply to the current situation, unless Cardinal Pell did something not only illegal, but immoral, and that has not been determined. Thus, the application of Matthew 18:6 only begs the question.
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
Why does no one refer to Matthew 18:6?

"But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea. "
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Perhaps because Pell is currently innocent, and will be until proven otherwise?

The 9th Commandment would be more relevant, since someone (or multiple someones) here is clearly lying.
 
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