Cardinal pours cold water on union with rebel Anglican group

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But Cardinal Kasper, as president of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity, is likely to be cautious about any arrangement that might upset the official leaders of the other Christian churches - notably the** Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams**.
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The cardinal said on Monday: “We are on good terms with the Archbishop of Canterbury and as much as we can we are helping him to keep the Anglican community together**.”
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WHAT THE HECK???:mad::mad::mad:
 
So I guess that means each individual person has to go through RCIA. Then maybe they can get together (w/ their former clergy, who’ll have had to petition Rome to be ordained via the Pastoral Provision) and petition for an Anglican use parish. All so we don’t upset Rowan Williams and other “Christian leaders”, when they couldn’t care less about “upsetting” the Catholic Church. Sad, but typical. 😦

In Christ,

Ellen
 
He probably wants to convert the Anglicans en toto, instead of piecemeal. If the Holy Spirit wants the Anglicans coming in, it will happen on his terms. Have more trust. 🙂
 
400,000 is a lot of people. And probably more than 400,000 opinions! It has been many, many years since an entire group converted corporately–not since the Grayfriars of New York did and they were an Anglican Order not a parish and probably about 100 people.

I don’t know if the Cardinal’s stated reason is the only one and it’s not clear what the people below the level of Bishop think about all this. I know several Anglicans in the US who joined under a more traditional Bishop (think Truro parish), but I doubt many of the individual people are quite ready to become Catholics.
 
But is Cardinal Kasper’s congregation the one such a group would contact? While this can be a serious turn off for Anglicans who wish to join the Church, I expect that the Pope will have quite a different approach to such a group, and in fact his opinion would be the dominant one in Rome. Perhaps a greater obstacle would be resistance for various reasons of local bishops of countries that have individuals, parishes or even dioceses of Anglicans who are considering joining the Church, to such conversions. I have heard for example that the bishops of England put up obstacles to such conversions in their own country. I can only pray that God’s will be done.
 
I suspect some bishops will oppose it because they don’t want the competition of the Anglican liturgy. It will be a much bigger threat than the Extraordinary form.
 
But look at the situation!!! These 400,000 Traditional Anglicans have broken away from a doomed communion, which shattered any hope of reunification with us when they it decided to ordain women among other things, and now they clearly want union with Rome, and this Cardinal has the nerve to say that they should go back to the failing Anglican Communion because he has a good relationship with the liberal Archbishop of Canturbury!?

Has ecumenism really come to this?

Do we want these 400,000 souls to have access to the sacraments or not? They want to be Catholic. They sure seem A LOT more orthodox than a lot of people who call themselves Catholic. Now, if they have proposed unreasonable requests that we can’t accept (like married bishops) then that’s their fault, but are we ourselves really going to put up nonsensical barriers to their coming home?

Is fear that accepting them is going to “upset” Rowan Williams really a good reason at all? Quite frankly, I don’t care one bit if Williams gets upset or not. Not one bit. I don’t have anything against the guy personally (and actually he seems like a very nice guy) but the guy can’t even manage to keep his own house together thanks to the novelties which he himself embraces. There’s no chance (outside of a miracle) that he or his fellow liberal Anglicans are going to abandon their heresies any time soon. Let’s remember that it is the liberal Anglicans with their novelties who are at fault for ending any hope of reunion between the Anglican Communion and Rome.

Now, this is what I think is really going on here: Cardinal Kasper and other liberals in our own Church do not want the conservative Traditional Anglicans to come into the Church. They would much rather abandon them to the failed Anglican Communion. These Traditional Anglicans would bring with them solid liturgy and orthodox faith, something the hermeneutic of discontinuity “spirit of Vatican II” crowd do not care for. But, that’s just my opinion.
 
As a former Anglican i can say that our semi orthodox parish was almost a carbon copy liturgy of the Church i now attend. My first reaction was that it was just like the old church, minus the choir. Now I understand the difference and I’m glad i made it home. There is in fact one parish down the road from our cathedral that is more catholic in tradional liturgy than ours is! (words of our Msgr.)

If these people are Orthodox Anglicans as they claim, RCIA won’t be a big leap. Imagine, we could send Fr. J Corapi over there to cathechise in one of their big soccer stadiums! 😃 And at the end of that, if they still want to (rather if they desire and long to be united with Christ truly) they can be accepted into the Roman rite. Also, these people could possibly be some serious quality Catholics if they are willing and get a good Cathesis.

Over here in Canada the situation is pretty rough and many local bishops and priests are dropping like flies.

God’s will be done on this one,

-revelations
 
francesco920 said:
But look at the situation!!! These 400,000 Traditional Anglicans have broken away from a doomed communion, which shattered any hope of reunification with us when they it decided to ordain women among other things, and now they clearly want union with Rome, and this Cardinal has the nerve to say that they should go back to the failing Anglican Communion because he has a good relationship with the liberal Archbishop of Canturbury!?

Has ecumenism really come to this?

Do we want these 400,000 souls to have access to the sacraments or not? They want to be Catholic. They sure seem A LOT more orthodox than a lot of people who call themselves Catholic. Now, if they have proposed unreasonable requests that we can’t accept (like married bishops) then that’s their fault, but are we ourselves really going to put up nonsensical barriers to their coming home?

Is fear that accepting them is going to “upset” Rowan Williams really a good reason at all? Quite frankly, I don’t care one bit if Williams gets upset or not. Not one bit. I don’t have anything against the guy personally (and actually he seems like a very nice guy) but the guy can’t even manage to keep his own house together thanks to the novelties which he himself embraces. There’s no chance (outside of a miracle) that he or his fellow liberal Anglicans are going to abandon their heresies any time soon. Let’s remember that it is the liberal Anglicans with their novelties who are at fault for ending any hope of reunion between the Anglican Communion and Rome.

Now, this is what I think is really going on here: Cardinal Kasper and other liberals in our own Church do not want the conservative Traditional Anglicans to come into the Church. They would much rather abandon them to the failed Anglican Communion. These Traditional Anglicans would bring with them solid liturgy and orthodox faith, something the hermeneutic of discontinuity “spirit of Vatican II” crowd do not care for. But, that’s just my opinion.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Kasper, the unfriendly cardinal, is head of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. Unfortunately, he’s promoting union with the wrong Christian group. And remember, this is the man who was critical of Dominus Iesus.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
 
um, Im lost people…what happened? maybe IM still just in a stun or something…I dont know for sure.
 
Umm… am I the only one who is troubled by the fact there is no independent news converage of this story?

I’ve been searching on Google and there is not one news article that can independently confirm this story. I’ve searched under TAC, under Kaspar, under Anglican. But no credible news site has actually independently demonstrated this story (first posted 12/4) actually happened.

None of my Catholic RSS feeds report it
No Anglican source reports it
no Secular media source reports it

…and it supposedly happened last week? A Vatican Cardinal supposedly shot this down on his own and this is not national news? It allegedly happened on 11/23. Yet there is no Catholic News coverage of this issue.

Something is fishy here.

Now i will admit I may be wrong here, but this may be a hoax. Every link done from searching Google only comes back to that original site and no farther.

I find that rather suspicious.
 
Edit to above.

I had the date wrong. It was allegedly 12/3 and not 11/23 but the concerns remain.
 
That does sound fishy. Let’s keep looking around…
Arnobius said:
Umm… am I the only one who is troubled by the fact there is no independent news converage of this story?

I’ve been searching on Google and there is not one news article that can independently confirm this story. I’ve searched under TAC, under Kaspar, under Anglican. But no credible news site has actually independently demonstrated this story (first posted 12/4) actually happened.

None of my Catholic RSS feeds report it
No Anglican source reports it
no Secular media source reports it

…and it supposedly happened last week? A Vatican Cardinal supposedly shot this down on his own and this is not national news? It allegedly happened on 11/23. Yet there is no Catholic News coverage of this issue.

Something is fishy here.

Now i will admit I may be wrong here, but this may be a hoax. Every link done from searching Google only comes back to that original site and no farther.

I find that rather suspicious.
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"The cardinal said on Monday: “We are on good terms with the Archbishop of Canterbury and as much as we can we are helping him to keep the Anglican community together.”

Huh? Indifferentism? False irenicism? Corrupt ecumenism? Mistake? Or simply good diplomacy, proper etiquette, and even a little ‘do to others what you would have them do to you’? Now we are supposed to be concerned with keeping other religions together? “Oh,no you cant convert, some toes might get stepped on”

Of course there are some things that are going to make for a difficult transition into Catholocism, but the first thing to do is invite these people with open hearts and all the support we can muster, then the high-ups can iron out the wrinkles. His Eminence seems to think that only the perfect can convert.

Big prayers for these people, I can only imagine how hard it is to leave your Church like this. This Cardinal is in serious need of an exorcism.
 
francesco920 said:
virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7202

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WHAT THE HECK???:mad::mad::mad:
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Actually, this is a classic game strategy.

Make your “enemy” retain his “internal poison” as long as possible, so as to do it’s work as thoroughly as possible!

Pretty simple concept, don’t you think?

Then, on top of that, the Pope and the Cardinal are playing the “Good Cop Bad Cop” routine.

My hat is off to the Church leadership for doing it’s utmost to help our separated brothers realize where they stand relative to the true Church with a hefty dose of tough love!

Sincere individuals are STILL quite capable of entering the Church through the usual method.

Please explain to me how this situation is a “bad thing”?
 
Again, I am going to point out that 9 days after it allegedly happened, there is not one news story confirming it actually happened.
 
CalmDownWisWins said:
Actually, this is a classic game strategy.

Make your “enemy” retain his “internal poison” as long as possible, so as to do it’s work as thoroughly as possible!

Pretty simple concept, don’t you think?

Then, on top of that, the Pope and the Cardinal are playing the “Good Cop Bad Cop” routine.

My hat is off to the Church leadership for doing it’s utmost to help our separated brothers realize where they stand relative to the true Church with a hefty dose of tough love!

Sincere individuals are STILL quite capable of entering the Church through the usual method.

Please explain to me how this situation is a “bad thing”?
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The bad thing here is mainly the perverse ecumenism espoused - or allegedly espoused - by the Cardinal that is in contradiction to orthodoxy and to Pope Benedict’s teachings. Ecumenism is not about helping the Archbishop of Canterbury keep his Anglican communion together; it is about bringing all non-Catholics into the Church. I would not mind it at all, in fact I would support it, if the Cardinal were to object to the TAC coming into full communion because he doubts whether their faith is orthodox or because he finds some request they made unreasonable. But to oppose it on grounds that it might offend Archbishop Rowan Williams and to imply that the TAC ought to go back to the Anglican communion!? ABSURD!
 
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