Cardinal Ratzinger: there's no "preventive war" in the catechism

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st.jerome:
Unfortunately, Iraq could have justified an attack on us given that last part of your statement. We even gave them definitive proof!
You’re right. Saddam knew we were trying to get rid of him. Sure he could have justified an attack on us on that basis. He was already trying to shoot down planes. But this is similar to the devil. Satan knows we’re against him. He keeps on attacking us anyway.

We don’t need to hide our intentions from the devil or his minions (Saddam).
 
It seems to me that most of the Church’s commentators on “just wars” and “preventitive wars” based all of their thinking on a belief that war takes time, that the victims have time to see the unjust thing that is being done to them, and then react.

With the coming of the nuclear age, war does not take time.

In the hypothetical which I have used in this site, which none of the pacifists in this site have dared to deal with, a West-hating Muslim radical who has urged nuclear terrorism against the West gets control of Pakistan – a real possibility, something which could literally happen any day – and suddenly has access to about two dozen nuclear weapons, as well as the capital, scientists, and machinery necessary to build, say, half-a-dozen multi-megaton thermonuclear “city killers.”

Let’s change the hypothetical slightly to fit this thread. After the West-hating, nuclear-saber-rattling Muslim is made Grand Ayatollah of Pakistan, and immediately starts purging the government of pro-Western sane people, by having them murdered as traitors to Islam, the Vatican, afraid of a preventitive war against the madness in Pakistan, appoints a Pakistani-speaking Catholic priest as the Vatican legate to Islamabad. The legate is told to wait for the Grand Ayatollah in a room filled with government memoranda. As the waiting legate casually glances at the memoranda, he realizes with a shock that his Muslim hosts do not know that he can actually read Pakistani, and that they have left him in a room in which all of the Grand Ayatollah’s signed secret orders to his new radical government have been left laying out in plain site.

Among the papers is a memo signed by the Grand Ayatollah instructing his chief nuclear scientist to have the six 50-megaton thermonuclear “city busters” transported to cargo ships due to depart for American ports in three weeks’ time.

Seeing a copying machine, the legate copies the memo, dated that day, as well as the memo from the Grand Ayatollah one month before commanding the murder of pro-Western Pakistanis. Each bears the same signature.

Stuffing these photocopies into his pocket, the legate doesn’t mention the memoes to the Grand Ayatollah, aware that if does he will die.

Back in Rome, the legate hands the memoes to Pope Benedict XVI, and translates them.

Pope Benedict XVI, sighs, thinks, and says, “If we deliver these memoes to the Americas, it will start a ‘preventitive war,’ within the next three weeks. I will be the cause of the very thing I condemned in my September 22, 2002 statement.” The Pope then stands up, carries the memoes to the fireplace, and burns them.

Six weeks later, at 1:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Charleston, Chicago and Los Angeles, and their suburbs, are all incinerated, in a few seconds, by six huge perfectly-timed thermonuclear blasts.

Death toll: 85 million babies, children, women and men.

Did the Pope sin in the hypothetical?
 
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kev7:
Jesus said, “whoever is not against us is for us.” .
Usually when on quotes Scripture it is common courtesy to give chapter and verse. Can you direct us to the quote you mention above?
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kev7:
Bush said, “whoever isn’t with is against us”

]The counterfeit truth of satan is obvious.
So Bush is a pawn of Satan becuase you disagree with his politics? Do you believe we should be friends with those who support our enemies?
 
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estesbob:
Usually when on quotes Scripture it is common courtesy to give chapter and verse. Can you direct us to the quote you mention above?

So Bush is a pawn of Satan becuase you disagree with his politics? Do you believe we should be friends with those who support our enemies?
I am sorry… I often just reply with out access to a bible.

MARK 9 38-41 and LUKE 9 49-50

I don’t disagree with all of Mr Bushes politics. I believe that we should love and pray for our enemies, just as Jesus showed us. I also think that when you are forced to fight and protect your family God will understand. This world is a dangerous place.
 
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