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twf
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With HH Francis on the throne of St Peter, the progressive wing of the Church is revelling in the phrase “papal supremacy” and are screaming “obedience!” Where were they when Benedict was faced with dissent?
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Brassring
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The Pope, is the Pope, is the Pope, is the Pope, no matter who the Pope may be. Does anyone honestly think that Pope Francis and Pope Benedict XVI are as contentious with each other as their partisans on CAF are?
This Francis/Benedict nonsense makes me want to vomit. What is WRONG with you people?
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johnnyc176
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Obviously there is division within the Church and it extends way beyond CAF to the Bishops and Cardinals. We just had a recent news story that had a liberal takeover of a parish because they did not like the Traditional priest/pastor. Recognizing the problem does not mean one likes it but it seems silly to pretend that it does not exist.The Pope, is the Pope, is the Pope, is the Pope, no matter who the Pope may be. Does anyone honestly think that Pope Francis and Pope Benedict XVI are as contentious with each other as their partisans on CAF are?
This Francis/Benedict nonsense makes me want to vomit. What is WRONG with you people?
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Brassring
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The problem is laity who refuse to submit to the spiritual authority of those appointed over them.
If you prefer a modern Mass, but your appointed pastor is traditional, you submit and attend a traditional liturgy. If you’re traditional, but your Bishop is a modernist, you attend a Novus Ordo.
It’s not that difficult, if you set your pride aside. A large portion of the problem is that people don’t know the difference between spiritual authority and democratic, civil authority. They want to be able to call up the Bishop and make demands, just like they would their city council. It’s repugnant.
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Emperor_Markus
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Not that Pope Benedict should have resigned in the first place. For he certainly should not have.
The Papacy cannot, I think, be abandoned simply due to “health”. Besides, his health is fine now, for 90 years old.
The Papacy cannot, I think, be abandoned simply due to “health”. Besides, his health is fine now, for 90 years old.
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Randolph
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No body in the world knows the state of health of Pope Benedict XVI other than himself and his doctors. It is wrong to insinuate Pope Benedict XVI abandoned the papacy. I, myself along with countless number of catholics throughout the world, would have loved to see Pope Benedict XVI to stay on longer as pope. His knowledge and wisdom would have been even more beneficial to the Church. The current theological ambiguities, confusions, divisions and discords in the Church would not have been tolerated, and certainly would have been met with sharp rebukes and with clarity. After observing this great man and pope throughout his life, I respect and trust that his decision was made, in his judgment, for the best interests of the Church.
Recognizing his own physical inability to serve as a Vicar of Christ in the most important and powerful office in the world–an office ordained by Christ Himself–showed courage, love for the Church and great humility.
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esieffe
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Cardinal Sarah is shaping up to be quite a champion for the church. I can’t wait till I can get my hands on a copy of his book.
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Tim_D
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So, the Ordinary Form of the Mass (there is no such thing as the “novus order”) is “modernist?” Are you referring to the movement that the Church has denounced as an “error?” Are you saying that the Ordinary Form is “modernist,” and therefore something that is denounced by the Church?
I can’t imagine why self-penned “traditionalists” get such a bad rap.
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johnnyc176
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Well for some. The beating he took when he suggested a return to ad orientem shows otherwise. Not that it bothered him. This guy faced down communist dictators in his home country.
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friardchips
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That is not for you to say. Pope Benedict XVI said that God asked him to stand aside. That is good enough for me.
Same answer applies.
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friardchips
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What is the latest book?
Why did people object?
What is wrong with objecting - was it their words or their tone?
Pope Benedict XVI has written some good things some of which I like, some not, and if any Pope’s speaking or writing when not spoken or written ex-Cathedra, is not liked, then one can surely question, verbally, with charity.
So, whoever criticized for whatever reason, must have done so without charity?
And/or the content must have been ex-Cathedra, that was opposed, right?
Why did people object?
What is wrong with objecting - was it their words or their tone?
Pope Benedict XVI has written some good things some of which I like, some not, and if any Pope’s speaking or writing when not spoken or written ex-Cathedra, is not liked, then one can surely question, verbally, with charity.
So, whoever criticized for whatever reason, must have done so without charity?
And/or the content must have been ex-Cathedra, that was opposed, right?
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M-Dent
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I certainly will be ordering this book.
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M-Dent
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Pope Benedict XVI said no such thing.
After reading his book, Last Testament and reading his final speech he made it clear he prayed to God had a clear conscience and abdicated the seat of Peter due to deteriorated strength of mind and body.
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friardchips
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ncronline.org/news/vatican/pope-benedict-xvi-god-told-me-resign
And…
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/10256890/Pope-Benedict-resigned-because-God-told-me-to-do-it.html
*’“God told me to do it,” the 86-year-old former pontiff told a friend, six months after his decision to step down shocked the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics.
God had implanted in his heart the “absolute desire” to resign and to devote himself to a life of prayer and reflection, Benedict told the anonymous confidante, according to Zenit, a Rome-based Catholic news agency.
“It was not because of any type of apparition or phenomenon of that sort,” he said, but instead the result of a “mystical experience” received during “a direct rapport with the Lord”.’*
theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/21/pope-benedict-god-resign-mystical-experience
*'The former pope Benedict has claimed that his resignation in February was prompted by God, who told him to do it during a “mystical experience”.
Breaking his silence for the first time since he became the first pope to step down in 600 years, the 86-year-old reportedly said: “God told me to” when asked what had pushed him to retire to a secluded residence in the Vatican gardens.
Benedict denied he had been visited by an apparition or had heard God’s voice, but said he had undergone a “mystical experience” during which God had inspired in him an “absolute desire” to dedicate his life to prayer rather than push on as pope.’*
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M-Dent
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You’re accepting hearsay - I am accepting words from the Holy Father himself.
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M-Dent
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In his book Last Testament (in interview format) Pope Benedict XVI was asked directly,
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graciew
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I bought The Last Testament too.
It is so lovely to read Benedict in this interview style in his own words…
I ve just started it.
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graciew
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One comment without meaning any controversy.
I do not know if C. Sarah says this quote about Mother Teresa but the Missionaries of Charity find it unlikely,give their reasons.
The Catholic Herald seems to have had a fee inaccuracies lately.
Anyway,just a side comment.
I do not know if C. Sarah says this quote about Mother Teresa but the Missionaries of Charity find it unlikely,give their reasons.
The Catholic Herald seems to have had a fee inaccuracies lately.
Anyway,just a side comment.
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M-Dent
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Yes. I found the overall format refreshing. Peter Seewald asked a few questions which I would have.
I have quite a few books by Joseph Ratzinger. IMO, he has amassed a treasury of thought provoking concepts and contemplations. I have re-read Maximilian Heinrich Heim’s – Joseph Ratzinger Life in the Church and Living Theology a few times – since it is a bit out of my pay-grade. Though, I still draw different understandings from it.
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