Cardinal Sin

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I dont know much about the underlying issue here. Would that more Bishops exercised this kind of authority, leadership and obediance.
 
Mark, I don’t understand why you would post such biased reports of the Cardinal’s actions. He has the authority to close any parish within his diocese he sees fit, nor does he have to explain why. Parish closings are never happy events for those who wished to keep them open, but to characterize the Cardinal as “tricky” and other such derogatory remarks is uncalled for, even by NY reporters. As for Catholic reporters spreading one-sided stories, that is what is “unconscionable.”
 
I wonder if there had been any underlying difficulty with that particular parish that the Cardinal wanted to avoid. If the Cardinal thought that any violence might occur, then he definitely made the right decision.
 
Maybe Cardinal Egan saw what happened in St. Louis and did not want it to happen there.
 
Della said:
Mark, I don’t understand why you would post such biased reports of the Cardinal’s actions. He has the authority to close any parish within his diocese he sees fit, nor does he have to explain why. Parish closings are never happy events for those who wished to keep them open, but to characterize the Cardinal as “tricky” and other such derogatory remarks is uncalled for, even by NY reporters. As for Catholic reporters spreading one-sided stories, that is what is “unconscionable.”
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I admit, I should be a little more careful about the terms I use, considering Cardinal Egan is a successor of the apostles. Still, between the two stories I posted it sounds like some pretty drastic tactics are being used to close churches in NYC. thanks for keeping me honest. I will try and be more sensitve in the future (where it makes sense, as here).

It would be really refreshing if this type of vigor were used by more bishiops/cardinals in other areas, such as pushing for the Fatima consecrations, fighting liturgical novelties, dealing with homosexuality in the semanaries, etc.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
Good for the bishop. It is all-right to petition the bishop, but wrong to rebel.
 
I live in Brooklyn; they said on the news tonight that on Sundays and holy days of obligation there were on average anywhere between 6 - 30 people in attendance. Additionally no marriage ceremonies or funerals had been conducted at the church in years.

Now all of the sudden they plan to give a petition with 3,000 signatures to the Cardinal… so only between 6 and 30 people in the Lithuanian community will bother to show up for mass but 3,000 want the church to remain open? Wonder why it’s closed down…:rolleyes:
 
A comprehensive reading of the several stories suggests that the parish may well be self supporting and of signifigant value to the Lituanian community. If this is the case, then why necessitate it’s closing? What are the other “real” underlying reasons that the Archdiocese wants to take the property back? They have their “official” stated reasons, but it would seem that these rely upon spun statistics.

I’m not sure that such crafty tactics are truly necessary to close a Church like this. If there are good people of faith who are willing to support a parish, then let them for heaven’s sake!
 
Della said:
Mark, I don’t understand why you would post such biased reports of the Cardinal’s actions. He has the authority to close any parish within his diocese he sees fit, nor does he have to explain why. Parish closings are never happy events for those who wished to keep them open, but to characterize the Cardinal as “tricky” and other such derogatory remarks is uncalled for, even by NY reporters. As for Catholic reporters spreading one-sided stories, that is what is “unconscionable.”
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I agree, the reporters at the Post are notorious Catholic bashers, I remember hearing one of them say how they laugh about how they attack us and what they are going to say about the Catholic church on any given day. I can’t stand that rag! Why not check for the story somewhere creditable?
 
If I wanted to do the research, I would have offered:p , maybe Zenit or somewhere Catholic? When you offer something from the “Catholic Hateing Post”, I just can’t find much merit in the story!
 
The news said there are two other churches in Manhattan that offer the mass in Lithuanian as well… maybe all 30 of them could just go to one of those??? :rolleyes: There’s certainly no shortage of Catholic churches in NYC…
 
Carrie_Andrews said:
If I wanted to do the research, I would have offered:p , maybe Zenit or somewhere Catholic? When you offer something from the “Catholic Hateing Post”, I just can’t find much merit in the story!
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Isn’t it just as likely that the “Catholic” (controlled) press would spin it in their own direction to appease the powers that be which have influence over their editors?
 
chicago said:
Carrie Andrews:
Why not check for the story somewhere creditable?
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OK, where?
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I am unfamilar with this publication, but it certainly reads more balanced than the Post reporting.
downtownexpress.com/de_199/whilepriestissay.html
For the past three years, Mass has been said in the parish hall in the church basement because cracks were discovered in the roof beams above the sanctuary. Because of the basement’s low ceiling and cramped quarters, funerals and weddings could not take place at Our Lady of Vilnius. But McAleer said that engineers had declared that the structural problem could be resolved.
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Eh, to be honest, it doesn’t look like the cardinal is being particularly straightforward or that the official stuff is perfectly consistent with reality. I wonder what happened first: the decision to close the church or the reasons for it.
 
chicago said:
A comprehensive reading of the several stories suggests that the parish may well be self supporting and of signifigant value to the Lituanian community. If this is the case, then why necessitate it’s closing? What are the other “real” underlying reasons that the Archdiocese wants to take the property back? They have their “official” stated reasons, but it would seem that these rely upon spun statistics.

I’m not sure that such crafty tactics are truly necessary to close a Church like this. If there are good people of faith who are willing to support a parish, then let them for heaven’s sake!
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W/o taking sides here, we must also remember that it is not only the building itself, but the priest, who may be needed to serve elsewhere.
 
prv said:
W/o taking sides here, we must also remember that it is not only the building itself, but the priest, who may be needed to serve elsewhere.
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Is he diocesan? Whose priest is he?
 
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