Cardinal Wuerl Denies He Was Informed of Restrictions on McCarrick

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Of course, some people continue to defend Wuerl.
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bullish1 said:
All kinds of people are defending him, lay and bishops alike. Bill Donohue …
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This type of discussion is illuminating. It is as though everything is a wedge issue - you must for one person or another. And if “for”, every bad allegation is to be unquestioningly denied, and every good unquestioningly accepted and promoted; if against, then just the opposite. Any deviation, any question is taken as evidence fo being on the other side. We might get further, by advancing critical thinking and civil discourse,

Donohue made a number of well taken points. Some of the reports against Wuerl were misleading and even plainly false. Sorting out the true chares from the false is important, and is not an act of denying or placing one’s head in the sand about the true.

Actions predicated on false information are prone to for being wrong. it is important to get the facts rights, and to probe them without being falsely accused.
 
dvdjs said:
Donohue made a number of well taken points. Some of the reports against Wuerl were misleading and even plainly false. Sorting out the true chares from the false is important, and is not an act of denying or placing one’s head in the sand about the true.
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This is true and your point is well taken. In one of my similar posts I did point out that Donohue made some valuable corrections and points. One being that this was not a pedophile problem, but rather a homosexual one primarily (not exclusively). He also made some incredible nuanced corrections like it wasn’t 300 priests because there were a handful of lay cases. This comes off as incredibly insensitive to the pain suffered to any abuse victim who may read it and does little to increase the understanding of the real problem.
 
gracepoole said:
Vigano is credible?? Eh, that dog don’t hunt. I don’t know if the allegations are true. But Vigano is a super shady character who himself was involved in the cover-up of abuse.
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It seems to me no matter what is true it turns out a bishop (or many) is shady. Regardless of what is true we have a serious problem with bishops. Unfortunately I can see how someone might end up trusting no bishops. I don’t think they’ll ever find a human organization, religious or otherwise, that doesn’t have these kinds of problems. But the Catholic Church should be better than this.
 
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nd open to the reasons but the support needs to have citations behind the reasons. Opinions and feelings are no longer persuasive to me.
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This is one of the issues with Msgr.Vignano’s letter.
Have you read it yourself?
Can you state that the letter is free of opinion ,feelings and personal conjecture?
Is evidence there?
 
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graciew said:
This is one of the issues with Msgr.Vignano’s letter.
Have you read it yourself?
Can you state that the letter is free of opinion ,feelings and personal conjecture?
Is evidence there?
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Yes, no, and yes. Your point is???
 
That we need to take some distance from the news and read the sources in silence ,interior silence.
We are not helping the victims like this.
Aside from prayer.
 
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graciew said:
That we need to take some distance from the news and read the sources in silence ,interior silence.
We are not helping the victims like this.
Aside from prayer.
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That sounds like you think I, and others, should be quiet. That I won’t do. You say we are not helping the victims. I say I won’t be silent because of the victims and will let them judge.
 
what evidence, has this been through the courts? its trial by kangaroo court media

we are going to see a lot of damage control now and people coming out on both sides in support.

personally, the clergy should be treating this professionally and determining any truths before issuing statements of what they think or don’t think.

it is just dividing from within. we are either unified, or we are divided. and at the moment, trial by allegation and opinion statements is just driving that divisive wedge deeper.
 
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what has a drug fuelled gay orgy by aides got to do with this.

thats such a straw man
 
District attorneys active during Cardinal Wuerl’s time in Pittsburgh are defending him. I can’t include links here, but google Robert Colville Carndinal Wuerl KDKA and click on the first link for Pittsburgh.cbslocal
 

The Cardinal Wuerl Legacy Files

www.donaldwuerl.com www.donaldwuerl.com

Victims of Priest sexual abuse during Cardinal Wuerl"s time in Pittsburgh are accusing him of a cover up. I can include a link above.

Let the attacks on the victims motives begin!
 
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