Cardinals Seeking Solemn Proclamation on Blessed Virgin

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And statistically speaking, several million is by no means a small number. In fact, it is a large sample size. Additionally, for every one who writes, there is an unknown number who would be in support but do not write, or do not have the means to write (as among poorer and less educated Catholics).
7 million is nothing. This is not a poll, it is a petition. It only takes into account those who approve. Those who do not approve mean nothing to this petition. There could have been 30 million who refused to sign because they didn’t agree. 7 million is an inconsequential number.

It is the attitude that the west is developing that is problematic. It is a dogmatic attitude. You have to develop everything which you believe into a dogma. You have a list of things which you believe and you lose sight of what actually matters. How is a declaration of Mary as co-redemptrix or mediatrix of all graces or mother of God going to affect the Church? It does nothing to bring Catholics closer to God. The only thing it will do is alienate many Catholics. I realize that you don’t care if it does that as you guys have already mentioned. People are not going to simply abandon what they see to be the truth without being convinced that they are wrong. Many people are not convinced of the mediatrix of all graces idea. In fact many of them think it is blasphemous.
 
7 million is nothing. This is not a poll, it is a petition. It only takes into account those who approve. Those who do not approve mean nothing to this petition. There could have been 30 million who refused to sign because they didn’t agree. 7 million is an inconsequential number.

It is the attitude that the west is developing that is problematic. It is a dogmatic attitude. You have to develop everything which you believe into a dogma. You have a list of things which you believe and you lose sight of what actually matters. How is a declaration of Mary as co-redemptrix or mediatrix of all graces or mother of God going to affect the Church? It does nothing to bring Catholics closer to God. The only thing it will do is alienate many Catholics. I realize that you don’t care if it does that as you guys have already mentioned. People are not going to simply abandon what they see to be the truth without being convinced that they are wrong. Many people are not convinced of the mediatrix of all graces idea. In fact many of them think it is blasphemous.
Woah there. First of all, Christ is the source of all grace, and Mary is the instrumental cause of the human nature of Christ. Hence, in a very real way, Mary mediates all grace to humanity. God chose to do it this way. This is hardly blasphemy. This is the teaching of St. Louis Marie de Montfort, St. Maximilian Kolbe, Bl. Mother Teresa, Servant of God Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange (who was John Paul II’s doctoral thesis advisor), and the man Ratzinger called the greatest German theologian Fr. Mathias Joseph Scheeben, among many others. Nobody walking the earth in a mortal body has developed this theology. It has its basis in Scripture and Tradition. If so many Catholics do not know or understand Mary’s role in objective redemption and mediation of grace, it’s because so many teachers have been so afraid to teach it for years. The reason the dogma is needed is that because of ecumenical fears, the true teaching is in jeopardy.

Secondly, consider the deep theological rift preceding the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. Had they looked into the future to a definitive papal ruling, I am sure that many would have said the same thing, that it would divide Catholics. They even had to be silenced for a while, the debate was so bitter. But ultimately the truth won out, and now the truth hardly polarizes the faithful, but they embrace the Immaculata. It will be the same with the Co-redemptrix when it is rightly understood and taught from the cathedra. Many Catholics already do not accept the magisterial authority of the Church. Many will not change their dissenting hearts, they are already polarized; so in the sense of whether it will isolate these people who like to pick and choose what of the faith they wish to believe, a dogmatic definition will not have as strong of an effect on their relationship with the Church as one might think.

And “does nothing to bring Catholics closer to God”? Is not the Stations of the Cross a perfect picture of such a devotion to Mary Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate? I do believe that her secondary but powerful presence in the Stations has done much to bring Catholics closer to God throughout the years. The suffering mother brings us directly to the Cross, the source of all grace and redemption.At the Cross her station keeping,

Stood the mournful mother weeping,

Close to Jesus to the last
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Can the human heart refrain

From partaking in her pain,

In that Mother’s pain untold?

See Garrigou-Lagrange’s commentary on the Stabat Mater in Mother of the Savior and Our Interior Life, Tan, 1994.
 
Woah there. First of all, Christ is the source of all grace, and Mary is the instrumental cause of the human nature of Christ. Hence, in a very real way, Mary mediates all grace to humanity. God chose to do it this way.
If that were all the mediatrix of all graces was then there would be no problems over it. But many of the apologists who preach the doctrine preach it as a continued thing in a way that makes it out as if God can do nothing without Mary. Yes, Mary is the mother of God and God(who is the essence of Grace) dwelled in her and through her gave grace to the world. But many wish to say that now that Mary is in heaven she mediates all grace to us in a whole different way. All graces go through her hands. It is as if grace is some object that needs to be handed over. Grace is the Holy Spirit. It is the indwelling of God.
The reason the dogma is needed is that because of ecumenical fears, the true teaching is in jeopardy.
No it isn’t, atleast in the form which you have given. It is basic common sense to say that Mary is the mediatrix of all grace in the sense that you have said if you are willing to say that Mary is the mother of God. And since the council of Ephesus that is a dogma. In the other form which is more extreme it may be in trouble. And there is no reason to fear this since it is not a Tradition of the Church. You might be able to find a few saints throughout history that agree with it but most would not.
Secondly, consider the deep theological rift preceding the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. Had they looked into the future to a definitive papal ruling, I am sure that many would have said the same thing, that it would divide Catholics. They even had to be silenced for a while, the debate was so bitter. But ultimately the truth won out, and now the truth hardly polarizes the faithful, but they embrace the Immaculata. It will be the same with the Co-redemptrix when it is rightly understood and taught from the cathedra.
That remains for history to tell but I don’t see it happening in that way.
And “does nothing to bring Catholics closer to God”? Is not the Stations of the Cross a perfect picture of such a devotion to Mary Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate? I do believe that her secondary but powerful presence in the Stations has done much to bring Catholics closer to God throughout the years. The suffering mother brings us directly to the Cross, the source of all grace and redemption.
Yes, the stations are a powerful devotion but I don’t see how this is affected by the doctrine of mediatrix of all graces. It is one thing to say that Mary aids us in our journey toward Christ. It is another to make it a dogma that Mary is the mediatrix. I don’t have any problem with saying that Mary mediates between us and Christ. But I think there is a problem when we try to dogmatize our faith. It destroys the mystery behind the truth. It is as if our faith is just an equation that we have to memorize. To tell the truth I don’t know how to put my thoughts on the matter into words. It is as if you have a 6 foot by 6 foot painting which represents the faith. The dogmas might be represented 1 inch squares scattered throughout the painting. The rest of the painting is hidden because it is not dogma. It seems to distort the faith. It doesn’t take things as they are but isolates certain aspects of the faith. I know that what I am saying isn’t meaning exactly what I want it to but I don’t know how to say it any better.
 
Anyone alienated by truth has a real problem.
That is a pretty judgemental attitude and shows a lack of understanding of people.

It seems that conversion of people is not your concern. Your concern seems to be to develop your views into dogmas.
 
That is a pretty judgemental attitude and shows a lack of understanding of people.

It seems that conversion of people is not your concern. Your concern seems to be to develop your views into dogmas.
Dogmas are true. They are from God. If someone misunderstands some truth the answer is not to hide that truth. It is to explain it with charity.
 
But I think there is a problem when we try to dogmatize our faith. It destroys the mystery behind the truth.
This is a most unfortunate (and un-Catholic) perspective on dogma.

In reality, the goodness of dogma is quite simple. Without a metaphysical understanding of the union between truth and beauty, a proper perspective on dogma is lost.

Very simply:
God is truth existentially; God is beauty existentially; Hence, all truth is beauty.
Dogmas magnify truth; Hence, dogmas magnify beauty.
 
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