Care and feeding of the SAHM

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But a good parent is a financially stable parent. If a sahm isn’t healthy enough to be one maybe it’s not for her. It’s not for everyone, this is something people need to accept.
So, in your opinion, if a SAHM finds her health is suffering, what do you suggest? Bolt out of the home? Put her kids in daycare? Abandon the family?? What precisely should a struggling mom do since you think that if she is struggling then she obviously wasn’t cut out for the job? Your attitude provokes despair. Why do you hate SAHMs so much?
 
Your ignorance is showing. Financial stability is not one-size-fits-all. And many mothers find their physical and emotional health takes a hit and needs special attention BECAUSE of the changes motherhood brings.

Why are you presenting a view of SAHMs as lazy and irresponsible??? What are you trying to prove???
Because many are. Many women are better off working.
 
So, in your opinion, if a SAHM finds her health is suffering, what do you suggest? Bolt out of the home? Put her kids in daycare? Abandon the family?? What precisely should a struggling mom do since you think that if she is struggling then she obviously wasn’t cut out for the job? Your attitude provokes despair. Why do you hate SAHMs so much?
Yes if it doesn’t work for her then a part time job might be a good idea. My mother hated being at home, she developed a drinking problem because she was bitter. She worked a job part time and felt better then went to full time. A SAHM isn’t “abandoning” the family she might be making it better. I’m tired of the idea that being a sahm is the best option because it’s not. What is best is what works for each family and a miserable mom is bad for the kids.
 
Furthermore, your opinion about renting is just wrong. Period. Many people choose to rent BECAUSE it contributes more to their financial security. Home ownership is no longer a safe bet for many Americans, not to mention other parts of the world.
Right.
  1. A renter has (at least very short-term) fixed housing costs. No $12k roof, no multi-thousand dollar AC replacement, no $1500-3000 flood repairs, no thousand dollar tree removal, no $200 toilet replacement, etc. (Obviously, long term, the homeowner has the advantage, although taxes are a wild card.)
  2. As jmjZelie points out, buying a house can be financially very dangerous. A lot of people found themselves trapped in $400k mortgages on $200k houses post-2008. That was very unpleasant for them, especially if they had also just lost jobs and needed to relocate.
  3. Also, Americans are very mobile. We often can’t guarantee where we’re going to be living in 3-5 years. So, preserving mobility is often a very valuable thing, especially for young families.
 
The fact is a SAH is to be raising the kids and I expect better kids from them. However, sorry but I don’t think they are any better than if they worked outside the home. I know quite a few sah parents and most use it as an excuse not to work, like my sister in law. She’s always been lazy, never cooked or cleaned or worked much then she had a kid and had an excuse. My niece is in school and she still doesn’t work. I work harder than her. Everyone needs support, that article is just pushing a view that sahm is the hardest job when it may not be. I work much harder than my sil. It might even be a bad idea for them to be sah parents because it might make them miserable. If they are miserable at home, a job, college or outside activities are important.
So…you didn’t read it.
OK. Now I get it.

Check.
 
The more I think about the blog post that was the thread starter, the more I believe she is right. I have examined the impact of each of the issues she raises and now I realize why things have been so hard for me personally in the last two years. HOWEVER, the list also gives me a launch point to make positive changes, and to take full advantage of what already exists around me. One thing I also need to learn is how to advocate for myself. I also need to learn that I don’t have to do hints the hardest possible way in order to earn approval. This is not Olympic diving. Degrees of difficulty don’t earn extra points. I regret not having such a realistic analysis as the blog post linked in the OP when we were originally discerning the kind of parenthood we would aim for. Not that any of our final decisions would have been different, but that we would have made more accommodations and had more realistic expectations. I think this will be good information to discuss with my children as they approach adulthood and start looking for spouses, because that could even help them as they begin to plan their higher education and their living arrangements and location, etc.
 
The more I think about the blog post that was the thread starter, the more I believe she is right. I have examined the impact of each of the issues she raises and now I realize why things have been so hard for me personally in the last two years. HOWEVER, the list also gives me a launch point to make positive changes, and to take full advantage of what already exists around me. One thing I also need to learn is how to advocate for myself. I also need to learn that I don’t have to do hints the hardest possible way in order to earn approval. This is not Olympic diving. Degrees of difficulty don’t earn extra points. I regret not having such a realistic analysis as the blog post linked in the OP when we were originally discerning the kind of parenthood we would aim for. Not that any of our final decisions would have been different, but that we would have made more accommodations and had more realistic expectations. I think this will be good information to discuss with my children as they approach adulthood and start looking for spouses, because that could even help them as they begin to plan their higher education and their living arrangements and location, etc.
Very good!

I hope that our kids will stay within a 4-5 hour drive once they’re all grown up. I also note that a lot of older people we know wind up relocating to where their adult children are once they’re retired. (Check first, of course, grandmas!)

Although it may be difficult to do, expectant and new mothers need to be steered away from X-treme parenting, which is unfortunately both very attractive to new mothers (X-treme parenting advocates are very passionate and engaged and are all over the internet) and extraordinarily destructive.
 
Here’s another blog post on the subject of young SAHMs and how to do a reasonably good job while staying sane:

thesinceregift.wordpress.com/2014/03/20/a-letter-to-young-sahms-from-one-who-is-slightly-older/

I’ll pull some quotes out and comment:

“If you are at a loss for how to keep the house clean in an efficient manner, don’t try to keep up with some homemaking schedule made up by someone who doesn’t have kids or someone who has lots of support and help from extended family and friends when you don’t. Try tackling the basic tasks of cleaning up after meals, (meaning cleaning off the table and counter, doing the dishes, sweeping the floors and taking out the trash if needed). Get your laundry under control by following through with not only washing and drying but folding and putting away. If you have a young family and you have these two tasks under control, you will be going a long way towards keeping chaos at bay.”

(I’d add here that just sorting clean laundry by owner into baskets can be adequate for long periods of time, just immediately hanging up items like dress shirts that are prone to wrinkle.)

“If you add to that, wiping down the sink and toilet area with a wipe or a wet cloth every other day, picking up the toys and vacuuming the living room at least before bedtime, then you will eliminate a lot of the main messes that cause the most stress. If you get around to dusting once every two weeks, spot cleaning the glass, tv screens and mirrors, and cleaning the tub, you’ll be getting done what can humanly be expected for someone raising young children especially if you are in the same boat I was.”

(I’d add that certain areas can be deemed messy zones. For instance, our play room may have a lot of toys on the floor at any time as does the toddler’s bedroom, but the rest of the house usually doesn’t. I have a funny story on the futility of cleaning toddlers’ room if they don’t want them to be clean. We have twice a month professional cleaning. Twice a month, they tidy up Baby Girl’s room. Every time afterward, Baby Girl indignantly dumps the toys out of the laundry basket. By George, she WANTED that stuff on the floor. Eventually, Baby Girl is going to need to learn the family rule about clean floors, but it’s OK for now.)

“I had very little in the way of extended family help and could not afford sitters or housecleaning services. Unfortunately, in our culture today, many people assume that if you are home with your kids that you have oodles of time for getting a lot done. They fail to recognize that because your house is in use constantly rather than just the breakfast hour and evening hours, a lot of your time is spent dealing with the mess-of-the-moment. It seems to be imagined that you have the time to spend the late morning organizing your cupboards and then in the afternoon you can be tackling closet cleaning. If you add to the mess-of-the-moment, the simultaneous direct care of children who are with you all day, there isn’t much time for leisure or projects.”

“Lastly I would advise, if you can afford it and not many one-income families can, to get some hired help. Don’t assume that it’s unthinkable that a mom at home with young children should need it. It is completely unreasonable to believe that one person should do the countless tasks that come up in a day while raising small children at the same time without help. If money is tight and you have family offering their time, take it. It’s not a luxury. It’s a reasonable thing to do. Read this post about this very issue. Most working moms have a built in support system in the way of childcare providers from family members to babysitters to daycare services.”

“What about your husband, you may ask, should he not help around the house? Should he expect that when his paid workday ends he’s done working for the day? My answer is both yes and no. There is no doubt that husbands should help their wives simply because being home means there is no time-clock to punch in which her day comes to an end. It is not humanly possible to work 24/7 with interrupted sleep day-in and day-out with no help and no break. [snip] The problem comes in when mom has to rely on dad as her sole support because she doesn’t have it from any other avenue. You end up with a couple who are always working separately with very little down time to just relax and enjoy being together. The ability to have leisure time, which is essential for enjoying the fruits of all your labors, is all but gone and a type of joylessness in life sets in. Your days are an endless round of going from one task to another seemingly without end.”

That’s very insightful.

The blogger punctuates her post with some 19th (?) century paintings of Italian family life. I notice the following about the paintings:
  1. lots of adults of different ages, not just mom alone with kids, hanging out doing their various tasks in the same room
  2. baby wears barely anything and tends to be carefully positioned over a blanket
 
You are being incredibly harsh and seem rather intractable in your views. This is all so far off topic. Parents should discipline their kids, yes. Many do. Some don’t. What does that have to do with taking care of a SAHM so that they are healthy enough to do a good job??

Furthermore, your opinion about renting is just wrong. Period. Many people choose to rent BECAUSE it contributes more to their financial security. Home ownership is no longer a safe bet for many Americans, not to mention other parts of the world.
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There are regions in the US where the median price for a family home is three quarters of a million. These aren’t mansion we are talking about but plain Jane family homes.
 
Here’s another blog post on the subject of young SAHMs and how to do a reasonably good job while staying sane:

thesinceregift.wordpress.com/2014/03/20/a-letter-to-young-sahms-from-one-who-is-slightly-older/

I’ll pull some quotes out and comment:

“If you are at a loss for how to keep the house clean in an efficient manner, don’t try to keep up with some homemaking schedule made up by someone who doesn’t have kids or someone who has lots of support and help from extended family and friends when you don’t. Try tackling the basic tasks of cleaning up after meals, (meaning cleaning off the table and counter, doing the dishes, sweeping the floors and taking out the trash if needed). Get your laundry under control by following through with not only washing and drying but folding and putting away. If you have a young family and you have these two tasks under control, you will be going a long way towards keeping chaos at bay.”

(I’d add here that just sorting clean laundry by owner into baskets can be adequate for long periods of time, just immediately hanging up items like dress shirts that are prone to wrinkle.)

“If you add to that, wiping down the sink and toilet area with a wipe or a wet cloth every other day, picking up the toys and vacuuming the living room at least before bedtime, then you will eliminate a lot of the main messes that cause the most stress. If you get around to dusting once every two weeks, spot cleaning the glass, tv screens and mirrors, and cleaning the tub, you’ll be getting done what can humanly be expected for someone raising young children especially if you are in the same boat I was.”

(I’d add that certain areas can be deemed messy zones. For instance, our play room may have a lot of toys on the floor at any time as does the toddler’s bedroom, but the rest of the house usually doesn’t. I have a funny story on the futility of cleaning toddlers’ room if they don’t want them to be clean. We have twice a month professional cleaning. Twice a month, they tidy up Baby Girl’s room. Every time afterward, Baby Girl indignantly dumps the toys out of the laundry basket. By George, she WANTED that stuff on the floor. Eventually, Baby Girl is going to need to learn the family rule about clean floors, but it’s OK for now.)

“I had very little in the way of extended family help and could not afford sitters or housecleaning services. Unfortunately, in our culture today, many people assume that if you are home with your kids that you have oodles of time for getting a lot done. They fail to recognize that because your house is in use constantly rather than just the breakfast hour and evening hours, a lot of your time is spent dealing with the mess-of-the-moment. It seems to be imagined that you have the time to spend the late morning organizing your cupboards and then in the afternoon you can be tackling closet cleaning. If you add to the mess-of-the-moment, the simultaneous direct care of children who are with you all day, there isn’t much time for leisure or projects.”

“Lastly I would advise, if you can afford it and not many one-income families can, to get some hired help. Don’t assume that it’s unthinkable that a mom at home with young children should need it. It is completely unreasonable to believe that one person should do the countless tasks that come up in a day while raising small children at the same time without help. If money is tight and you have family offering their time, take it. It’s not a luxury. It’s a reasonable thing to do. Read this post about this very issue. Most working moms have a built in support system in the way of childcare providers from family members to babysitters to daycare services.”

“What about your husband, you may ask, should he not help around the house? Should he expect that when his paid workday ends he’s done working for the day? My answer is both yes and no. There is no doubt that husbands should help their wives simply because being home means there is no time-clock to punch in which her day comes to an end. It is not humanly possible to work 24/7 with interrupted sleep day-in and day-out with no help and no break. [snip] The problem comes in when mom has to rely on dad as her sole support because she doesn’t have it from any other avenue. You end up with a couple who are always working separately with very little down time to just relax and enjoy being together. The ability to have leisure time, which is essential for enjoying the fruits of all your labors, is all but gone and a type of joylessness in life sets in. Your days are an endless round of going from one task to another seemingly without end.”

That’s very insightful.

The blogger punctuates her post with some 19th (?) century paintings of Italian family life. I notice the following about the paintings:
  1. lots of adults of different ages, not just mom alone with kids, hanging out doing their various tasks in the same room
  2. baby wears barely anything and tends to be carefully positioned over a blanket
That all makes sense. I think many SAHM feel guilt for not having a perfect house and home-cooked meal every day. After all, what else do you have to do? 🤷 Seriously, though, it’s hard. I can’t remember the last time my entire house was clean at the same time. I’ve gotten better at not caring, though.
 
Right.
  1. A renter has (at least very short-term) fixed housing costs. No $12k roof, no multi-thousand dollar AC replacement, no $1500-3000 flood repairs, no thousand dollar tree removal, no $200 toilet replacement, etc. (Obviously, long term, the homeowner has the advantage, although taxes are a wild card.)
  2. As jmjZelie points out, buying a house can be financially very dangerous. A lot of people found themselves trapped in $400k mortgages on $200k houses post-2008. That was very unpleasant for them, especially if they had also just lost jobs and needed to relocate.
  3. Also, Americans are very mobile. We often can’t guarantee where we’re going to be living in 3-5 years. So, preserving mobility is often a very valuable thing, especially for young families.
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There are regions in the US where the median price for a family home is three quarters of a million. These aren’t mansion we are talking about but plain Jane family homes.
I live near an expensive city. We kept moving farther away where it’s cheaper. But that added considerably to dh’s commute. It’s a hard balance. In order for me to stay home, he had to be gone 10-12 hours a day working and commuting.
 
That all makes sense. I think many SAHM feel guilt for not having a perfect house and home-cooked meal every day. After all, what else do you have to do? 🤷 Seriously, though, it’s hard. I can’t remember the last time my entire house was clean at the same time. I’ve gotten better at not caring, though.
Me too.

My house is cluttered usually.

Today I’ve been up since 5:40 am. I must have been up and down the stairs about 15 times.

I got kids ready for school, backpack checks, snack preparation, breakfast (DH made the coffee) Spot cleaned one bathroom, put on a load of laundry, unlaaded and loaded dishwasher. Made the bed, did some dusting.

The house doesn’t *look *any different. :confused:

But I do cook mostly every night except friday when it is pizza night.

I’m a much better cook than I am cleaner. I figure eating is more important anyway. 😛

On the other hand, my husband grew up in a house that entire floors were off use, because the Pope might just stop by. Living room and dining room that we cannot sit in or eat in.
 
Me too.

My house is cluttered usually.

Today I’ve been up since 5:40 am. I must have been up and down the stairs about 15 times.

I got kids ready for school, backpack checks, snack preparation, breakfast (DH made the coffee) Spot cleaned one bathroom, put on a load of laundry, unlaaded and loaded dishwasher. Made the bed, did some dusting.

The house doesn’t *look *any different. :confused:

But I do cook mostly every night except friday when it is pizza night.

I’m a much better cook than I am cleaner. I figure eating is more important anyway. 😛

On the other hand, my husband grew up in a house that entire floors were off use, because the Pope might just stop by. Living room and dining room that we cannot sit in or eat in.
It’s interesting to see how our parents affect us. My DH’s mom always had a perfect house. She seriously vacuumed 2-3 times a day. I think she has a bit of OCD. But, early in our marriage, my dh couldn’t understand why I was struggling. My own mom also had a near perfect house. When we had visitors coming- crazy cleaning. Because of this, I struggle with sitting down when my house isn’t perfect. I feel lazy.
 
Here’s another blog post on the subject of young SAHMs and how to do a reasonably good job while staying sane:

thesinceregift.wordpress.com/2014/03/20/a-letter-to-young-sahms-from-one-who-is-slightly-older/

(cut for length)
Oh my goodness, this is SO TRUE.

I grew up in a dysfunctional and very dirty house. I don’t mean messy, where it’s just a question of books and toys left lying around. I mean dirty, as in vacuuming/mopping rarely done, food left out all over the place, and, at various points, incontinent animals allowed to do their business anywhere, up to and including food prep surfaces. :eek:

Now, I did teach myself how to clean, because I am by nature something of a neat freak. I can’t relax if the house isn’t tidy and at least somewhat clean. However, I didn’t know how to clean efficiently until I had DD, when it became a case of necessary trial-and-error in that regard.

When you’re a first-time mom with a screaming newborn, dishes tend to rank rather lower than getting the baby settled, which led, I kid you not, to a fair number of times wherein I’d be up with the baby at 2 AM and, once she fell asleep, would spend an hour when I could be sleeping tidying the living room, starting the laundry, loading the dishwasher, etc, because I felt like I didn’t deserve to relax until that was all sorted. Crazy!

I eventually figured out that if I got the dishwasher emptied first thing in the morning, the kitchen tended to get and stay much cleaner. Why? Because emptying the dishwasher seemed intimidating when there were already dirty dishes piling up. If I emptied the dishwasher, then I could put dirty dishes straight into it over the course of the day, and by dinnertime, just had to throw the dinner dishes in it and run it, and voila! The kitchen was a lot tidier than it had been.

I later worked in getting the counters wiped down, the pots and pans washed promptly, and so on, but just that one little thing made a huge difference in both cleanliness and stress levels.

As to the rest, I eventually wrote out a very brief weekly schedule of chores that didn’t have to be done as often as, say, cleaning the kitchen. Mondays, the floors get mopped; Tuesdays, the upstairs gets vacuumed, Wednesday, the bathrooms get done, and so on. That also made a big difference in my overall morale level.

About the hired help: I suspect it may be easier to get by without this if one has older, helpful kids, though I could be wrong about that. At the very least, I imagine one can tell, say, a 10-year-old to play with the toddler for half an hour while one cleans the bathrooms, rather than having the toddler underfoot. (And this suggests that the kids are at home all day, too, which isn’t true of most families.) A couple of months ago, my MIL came in for a week and took care of DD (toddler) for an hour or two every morning. I was stunned by how much I’d get done. As I put it one morning when she walked in with DD: “I vacuumed the ground floor, dusted, mopped, loaded the dishwasher, started dinner, returned three phone calls, caught up on all paperwork, and still had time to relax with a cup of coffee and the Internet for twenty minutes! That was amazing!”

Based on that, I’m thinking of either putting DD in a MDO-type program next year, or perhaps paying a friend with other toddlers to watch DD for a few hours a morning or two each week. As it is now, phone calls are difficult at best (DD thinks that phone calls are a personal insult, and screams accordingly during them…you try dealing with an insurance company voice-operated phone system with a screaming toddler, much less discussing intricate billing details!), and paperwork ditto. And housework is so much simpler when one doesn’t have to plan every trip up and down the stairs as if one was invading Normandy. (“Do I take the toddler with me, not be able to carry very much, and take five times as long because she wants to walk up and down the stairs a dozen times, or do I do it by myself, get much more done in much less time, and have her throw a twenty-minute tantrum because she didn’t come?”)
 
It’s interesting to see how our parents affect us. My DH’s mom always had a perfect house. She seriously vacuumed 2-3 times a day. I think she has a bit of OCD. But, early in our marriage, my dh couldn’t understand why I was struggling. My own mom also had a near perfect house. When we had visitors coming- crazy cleaning. Because of this, I struggle with sitting down when my house isn’t perfect. I feel lazy.
Parents are very important.

My paternal grandmother also had a PERFECT home and my dad griped a lot at my mom about her housekeeping when I was a kid.

However, my grandma also had at least a little bit of the OCD you were mentioning. She once visited us during the fall in her early/mid 80s. We were sitting out on the patio near the pecan tree, which was sending down a continual rain of dead lives, nuts, and various tree debris. Grandma picked up a broom and started sweeping furiously because she just couldn’t stand it. She did have to declare defeat eventually, because even she could see that there was always going to be more debris–at least that day.

So part of grandma’s secret (like your MIL’s secret) was CONSTANT activity. (She’s since slowed down–but she’s 90.)

The irony of my parents’ disagreements over housework is that as far as I can tell, my dad didn’t even actually like living under the pressure of his mom’s drive for neatness and constant activity–but I don’t know that he ever connected the dots between the activities he didn’t like and the results he did like…

I think my mom’s housekeeping was actually more or less tolerable (except for the fridge) when I was a kid–she did these Saturday clean ups where she’d be frenziedly driving my sister and me. She was also one of those “company” cleaners–there’d be a huge frenzy when company was expected, although she did her darndest to keep unnecessary people out of the house–quite a trick when you have so many relatives in the area on good terms. (I don’t know that my grandma has set foot in the house in the last 20 years.)

Things took a serious turn for the worse after we kids left home. My mom had started working a lot at that point and my dad never started helping at home, and they had shame/cheapness issues with hiring help (you see, they “could” do it themselves). A few years back (probably about 10 years after the last kid left home), the house had degenerated to the point that it was almost ready for reality TV. It was getting harder and harder to squeeze through the narrow aisles on the stairs and hallways (not quite the “goat trail” stage of hoarding, but close) and the dead bugs and cat hair were piling up. That house had the oldest, thickest, dirtiest cobwebs I have ever seen. As for the fridge–to close to lunch to talk about it. I finally put my foot down and informed them that I was not going to bring any grandchildren to visit until they did something about the filth. (And I used the word “filth”.) They got mad, but they did it with help from my mom’s best friend–days and days of hauling stuff out.

Best of all, my sister was able to persuade them to hire a regular cleaner over lots of initial protests. Hallelujah! I’m not scared to bring my kids to visit anymore (although you never know what’s safe to eat in the fridge).

Some people just ought to have cleaning help. Aside from the work done, a cleaning lady can be a kind of accountability partner for slobs.

When I was a newlywed, I’m afraid I channeled some of my mom’s emergency cleaning frenzy (and was not always very nice to my husband). There was a lot of just cleaning before company. (I’m afraid that in the early years when we were both in graduate school, it was probably a quarterly event.) But we eventually got cleaning help, which took the heat off my husband, created more of a routine, created more of a sense of dispassion, and ensured a clean house twice a month. Years later, my philosophy on household cleanliness is very different than it was when I was a new bride. I used to think of household cleanliness as being something that you did for other people (company!) or out of some sort of abstract duty, so cleaning tended to be guilt and shame-fueled. Nowadays, I think of it as something that we primarily need to do for us. We deserve to live in a clean, pleasant, comfortable home.

Given that we have heavy cleaning help, while our big kids are very good at tidying (a very different thing from cleaning), they haven’t learned how to do heavy cleaning yet. My plan for next summer is to (if I get around to it), cut down to one monthly professional cleaning for several months in a row and devote one extra day each of those months to having the kids do stuff–just cleaning floors, bathrooms and the kitchen should be enough at this point. They did a super job last summer on a window washing job for us.
 
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