Carson wins early GOP straw poll

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**Carson wins early GOP straw poll **
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Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson won the presidential straw poll at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference in Oklahoma City on Saturday, beating out Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas).
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Carson won 25.4 percent of the vote, while Walker took 20.5 percent and Cruz received 16.4 percent.
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Other GOP presidential hopefuls and potential candidates finished far behind the top trio. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie finished a distant fourth with 5.3 percent of the vote, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry took 5 percent, and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush won 4.9 percent.
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msn.com/en-us/news/politics/carson-wins-early-gop-straw-poll/ar-BBkaGcR?ocid=anshill11

I have no idea what the significance of this is but nonetheless of interest to some.
 
Didn’t Michelle Bachman win the last Iowa straw poll? Not that I have anything against her, but the poll doesn’t seem to be a strong predictor of eventual nomination. So if you’re a Carson fan, I wouldn’t look at this as determinative.
 
Heck, Ron Paul has won dozens of them and look where it got him. No where.
 
Wait until they start grilling Dr. Carson about his religious beliefs.
 
The above article read that Ted Cruz won it last year followed by Dr. Carson.

Also, there was that one poll recently, CPAC maybe that Rand Paul won.

So, these are not even officially State results.

Still, a victory, even if small is good for Doctor Carson.

As one poster here pointed out and I did not hear it for myself, it sounds like Dr. Carson is a bit shallow on the foreign policy side. I’m sure he’d be good in a cabinet. A surgeon general maybe like Doctor Koop was?

And in reading the polling data, was Senator Marco Rubio not even named or listed?
 
Dr. Carson does fine when he talks about surgery or growing up poor, subjects that he knows something about. When he talks politics, he starts making mistakes.

Many Republicans and independents have this dream of the non-politician political Messiah who will save us. A false hope!
 
PaulfromIowa said:
Dr. Carson does fine when he talks about surgery or growing up poor, subjects that he knows something about. When he talks politics, he starts making mistakes.

Many Republicans and independents have this dream of the non-politician political Messiah who will save us. A false hope!
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I agree. We need someone with the right ideas and the political savvy necessary to deal with congress. Dr. Carson does seem to be not at his best when discussing a concrete agenda / proposals. I don’t know why he’s running.

Ishii
 
meltzerboy said:
By “they,” do you mean the media? Why should the fact he is a Seventh-Day Adventist be a problem? Do you mean the media will make it a problem?
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I think the reference is to his stances on so-called gay “marriage” and abortion, not his denomination.
 
SuperLuigi said:
I think the reference is to his stances on so-called gay “marriage” and abortion, not his denomination.
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Wait until they start grilling Dr. Carson about his religious beliefs.
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Unfortunately, some in the media already have a track record of yes, indeed, going right after religious beliefs. What do SDA believe in? Well, Church on Saturday I think but probably other things. Some in the media even went after Michele Bachmann, stating that her former Church, the Wisconsin Evangelical Synod may have had some unkind things in their charter which was really about the historic divide between Catholics and Lutherans, not very pertinent to today but still. Also, I think I already saw a possible reference to Scott Walker maybe going to a Church where they spoke in tongues or something of this nature. This was done to Sarah Palin too who I believe was baptized a Catholic but left the faith.
 
PaulfromIowa said:
Many Republicans and independents have this dream of the non-politician political Messiah who will save us. A false hope!
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Yeah, we should learn from the Democrats that it doesn’t really help when you have little political experience, like say President Obama. 😃
 
PaulfromIowa said:
Wait until they start grilling Dr. Carson about his religious beliefs.
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I’ve heard that he is an SDA minister but SDA members are not usually very political. Maybe he can garner support from the other evangelicals.
 
Path_Finder said:
Unfortunately, some in the media already have a track record of yes, indeed, going right after religious beliefs. What do SDA believe in? Well, Church on Saturday I think but probably other things. Some in the media even went after Michele Bachmann, stating that her former Church, the Wisconsin Evangelical Synod may have had some unkind things in their charter which was really about the historic divide between Catholics and Lutherans, not very pertinent to today but still. Also, I think I already saw a possible reference to Scott Walker maybe going to a Church where they spoke in tongues or something of this nature. This was done to Sarah Palin too who I believe was baptized a Catholic but left the faith.
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It was also done (but not necessarily by media although I can’t speak for conservative media such as FOX News)) of President Obama when it has been said by political opponents that he is a Muslim. That’s also unfortunate when he was baptized in the United Church of Christ denomination and to this day when he has attended worship services outside the WH as President, has attended an Episcopal service and I believe a Baptist church, and perhaps other Christian denominations. If I’m not mistaken he has even received communion at the Episcopal church where communion is open to all baptized in the Trinitarian form. The media aren’t the only ones with a track record. Republicans Bachmann, Walker, Palin aren’t alone. And Carson wouldn’t be the first.
 
Sy_Noe said:
It was also done (but not necessarily by media although I can’t speak for conservative media such as FOX News)) of President Obama when it has been said by political opponents that he is a Muslim. That’s also unfortunate when he was baptized in the United Church of Christ denomination and to this day when he has attended worship services outside the WH as President, has attended an Episcopal service and I believe a Baptist church, and perhaps other Christian denominations. If I’m not mistaken he has even received communion at the Episcopal church where communion is open to all baptized in the Trinitarian form. The media aren’t the only ones with a track record. Republicans Bachmann, Walker, Palin aren’t alone. And Carson wouldn’t be the first.
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Oh, the media don’t go after people who claim to be members of a certain religious denomination. they certainly do go after people for whom their positions on certain moral issues are informed by their religious beliefs. Obama hasn’t been criticized for being a Christian. He has been criticized for taking certain positions in spite of being a Christian.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Oh, the media don’t go after people who claim to be members of a certain religious denomination. they certainly do go after people for whom their positions on certain moral issues are informed by their religious beliefs. Obama hasn’t been criticized for being a Christian. He has been criticized for taking certain positions in spite of being a Christian.

Ishii
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Which has nothing to do with some saying he is a Muslim. But actually his positions on issues such as abortion and SSM as far as I can tell aren’t that far off from the denominational stance of his UCC tradition. Though congregations within the denomination can certainly vary. Being Christian does not only equate with being Catholic, Ishii. As even your church considers more liberal denominations such as UCC, TEC. PCUSA, ELCA to be Christian. And if Ben Carson is SDA, the CC also considers SDAs to be Christian.

catholic.com/tracts/seventh-day-adventism
 
Sy_Noe said:
Which has nothing to do with some saying he is a Muslim. But actually his positions on issues such as abortion and SSM as far as I can tell aren’t that far off from the denominational stance of his UCC tradition. Though congregations within the denomination can certainly vary. Being Christian does not only equate with being Catholic, Ishii. As even your church considers more liberal denominations such as UCC, TEC. PCUSA, ELCA to be Christian.
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My point, Sy Noe, is that the mainstream media never goes after politicians who profess to be Christians, and take stands on issues that are liberal. They mainly go after Christian politicians who take stands that are conservative. The liberal media doesn’t care about a Christian who is fully in line with liberal orthodoxy, only those who have positions which challenge the liberal orthodoxy.

Ishii
 
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