Carter, Clinton back moderate Baptists

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Sounds like using religion go their political advantage.
Carter, Clinton back moderate Baptists

With the help of former President Carter, Baptists who have distanced themselves from the conservative Southern Baptist Convention announced plans Tuesday for a major meeting that aims to improve the Baptist image and broaden its agenda.

Carter, who left the Southern Baptists in 2000 after the denomination came under conservative control, and former President Bill Clinton, also a Baptist, joined leaders of about 40 Baptist groups in making the announcement at The Carter Center.

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Isn’t this similar to what the left says the political right and Bush does. I guess it is OK for them :rolleyes:
 
Yes, it is similar.
Perhaps since they’ve seen how well it’s worked for the right, they’ve decided it may as well work for them also.
Sauce for the goose, etc.
 
It’s always been all right to the left to use certain pulpits for their agenda with no investigations by the IRS. But let a conservative politician do it, and the church will be accused of mixing religion and politics. It’s especially true if the liberal is “preaching” at a black church, which the IRS doesn’t dare touch for fear of being accused of being “racist.”
 
WanderAimlessly, your link doesn’t work.

Della, I am not sure if this is true in the current political climate.
In August, Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe urged congregants at a black church in Miami to defeat President Bush. Two days later, Americans United for Separation of Church and State reported the church to the IRS.
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The IRS prohibits churches from campaigning, unless they want to pay taxes as other political groups do.
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The group has filed about 50 complaints against churches - from Jerry Falwell Ministries for endorsing Bush in July to a black church in Los Angeles, where former President Bill Clinton urged people to oppose the recall of then-Gov. Gray Davis.
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sptimes.com/2004/09/15/State/IRS_warns_churches__n.shtml
 
Dems have never used religion to advance their agenda. Jesse and Al and various Catholic bishops don’t count, of course. :rolleyes:

What’s a Baptist or two gonna hurt?

Being a cynical atheist was much more straightforward. No wonder they hold us religionists in such low regard. Now that I’m in, I sometimes wonder why I bothered.

Addendum: Carter is a Baptist. He played it for all it was worth in his political career.
 
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Della, I am not sure if this is true in the current political climate.
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In August, Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe urged congregants at a black church in Miami to defeat President Bush. Two days later, Americans United for Separation of Church and State reported the church to the IRS.
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The IRS prohibits churches from campaigning, unless they want to pay taxes as other political groups do.
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The group has filed about 50 complaints against churches - from Jerry Falwell Ministries for endorsing Bush in July to a black church in Los Angeles, where former President Bill Clinton urged people to oppose the recall of then-Gov. Gray Davis.
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Not that I usually agree with the AUSCS, but I have to say: “And about time, too!” I remember the Clinton, Gore, and Kerry campaigns in which they appeared at black churches to deliver their political message and nothing happened to any of those churches–even though it was broadcast on national TV. Where were the AUSCS and the IRS then? It’s good everyone is finally having to keep the rules, but we heard precious little about it in the national press, and that’s for darned sure. :mad:
 
WanderAimlessly said:
Sounds like using religion go their political advantage. Isn’t this similar to what the left says the political right and Bush does. I guess it is OK for them :rolleyes:
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How is this using religion for political advantage? I don’t think either Carter or Clinton are running for office. Rather, it sounds like they are using their political notoriety to influence the internal politics and theology of their religious denomination.

I don’t know if that’s praiseworthy, neutral, or worthy of rebuke, but it does seem entirely different from what you are accusing.
 
Clinton’s conversion to “moderate” Baptists is relatively recent.
Carter announced his move around 1993, I remember it.
It was because – surprise !! – he didn’t agree with the Southern Baptist Convention’s beliefs about abortion and homosexuality.

Typical liberal. Don’t believe God’s law? Then…
Accumulate for yourselves teachers who will tickle your ears by telling you what you WANT to hear rather than what is true and biblical.

Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
 
Jaypeeto4 said:
…Typical liberal. Don’t believe God’s law? Then…
Accumulate for yourselves teachers who will tickle your ears by telling you what you WANT to hear
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It is not really a liberal/conservative thing rather it appears to be a Protestant thing.
Don’t like the rules? Shop around for a church or start your own.
Luther did it
Jaypeeto4 said:
rather than what is true and biblical.

Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
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(You’re not suggesting that Baptists of any flavor have the Truth are you?) 😉

in a semi-related story some Baptists churches in New England have dropped the word Baptist from their name because they feel that it keeps people away
 
Lucania said:
No. But it seems like the first place a Dem candidate runs to is a Black Church:rolleyes:
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Or a Republican to, say, Rick Warren?

Certainly a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Of course that doesn’t change the color of the kettle…
 
steveandersen said:
It is not really a liberal/conservative thing rather it appears to be a Protestant thing.
Don’t like the rules? Shop around for a church or start your own.
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More like a Baptist or Evangelical thing. I know numerous people who church shop in those denominations. On the other hand, I’ve never met a Lutheran who hopped from Synod to Synod.
 
I didn’t mean to single out Baptists,
but the Southern Baptist Convention at least does adhere to the Biblical teachings on morality, and this new denom that Carter and Clinton are backing does not (Carter even said in 1993 that that was one of the big reasons for his leaving the SBC).

Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
 
Jaypeeto4 said:
I didn’t mean to single out Baptists,
but the Southern Baptist Convention at least does adhere to the Biblical teachings on morality
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What morality are you speaking of? Just sexual? There’s way more to being moral than that. How about the entire rest of the Ten Commandments?
 
Richardols said:
More like a Baptist or Evangelical thing. I know numerous people who church shop in those denominations. On the other hand, I’ve never met a Lutheran who hopped from Synod to Synod.
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What if they’re Evangelical Lutheran? Do they fall in your first or second category?:ehh:
 
Digitonomy said:
What if they’re Evangelical Lutheran? Do they fall in your first or second category?:ehh:
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I’m not familiar with them so can’t judge. Do they use Synods for Church governance? The name seems to imply that they’re more of the first category, but that’s just conjecture. The Lutherans I know are traditional Lutherans.
 
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