Casino night at a church during Lent?

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A Catholic church nearby recently had a casino night…during Lent. To me, it doesn’t seem right to ever have gambling and Bingo in a church, but especially during Lent.
Any opinions? Why are American churches so casual about what goes on?
 
These are probably fund raisers for the school or some other group and the date was set a long time ago. In my parish, the school is about 40% dependent on the weekly bingo money, and they can’t afford to close it down for 6 weeks in Lent.
 
Surely some creative church members can come up with more Christian ways of fund-raising than Bingo and casino nights.
 
These are probably fund raisers for the school or some other group and the date was set a long time ago. In my parish, the school is about 40% dependent on the weekly bingo money, and they can’t afford to close it down for 6 weeks in Lent.
Same in my parish. The money raised at our annual Night at the Races accounts for a third of our total school budget. And honestly, that night is more about the parish coming together and raising money for our school and having a good time as a school community. I don’t see too much about it that unchristian. Although some people feel uncomfortable with any kind of party type atmosphere during Lent, there’s nothing that says it is prohibited either.

Fundraising for parishes and their schools is difficult, especially with the economy the way it is. When you know you have a particular fundraiser that brings in a lot of money, you stick with it and sometimes it just may occur during Lent.
 
I have a problem with casino trips sponsored by local parishes.

The casinos don’t organize trips to churches, do they? Well, there you go. Why are churches organizing trips to casinos?

if you read the entry about gambling at www.newadvent.org, you will see that gambling was condemned by the Church for centuries.

Then, after the council of Trent, it appears that some theologians pencil-whipped the idea and then gambling was OK.

Now, supposedly, the local Bishop is supposed to rule over what is OK or not. When did you ever hear about a Bishop restricting any gambling, on or off of church property? or, drinking alcohol at summer picnics, etc.?

I think there’s a lot of good social activities that people could engage in, besides the social aspects of the bus trips. And, gambling away money, beyond a minimum, confuses me.

People who “know” say the money raised at at the parish level is essential.

It’s the old “does the end justify the means” idea. Recently, in Matt Abbott’s Renew America newsletter, Fr. John Tragilio posted an essay that a Christian can’t lie, even to save lives. “The end doesn’t justify the means.” So, why does the end justify the means on all this church-sponsored gambling, which, to some extent, is fueled by people’s avarice and greed?
 
I have a problem with casino trips sponsored by local parishes.

The casinos don’t organize trips to churches, do they? Well, there you go. Why are churches organizing trips to casinos?

if you read the entry about gambling at www.newadvent.org, you will see that gambling was condemned by the Church for centuries.

Then, after the council of Trent, it appears that some theologians pencil-whipped the idea and then gambling was OK.

Now, supposedly, the local Bishop is supposed to rule over what is OK or not. When did you ever hear about a Bishop restricting any gambling, on or off of church property? or, drinking alcohol at summer picnics, etc.?

I think there’s a lot of good social activities that people could engage in, besides the social aspects of the bus trips. And, gambling away money, beyond a minimum, confuses me.

People who “know” say the money raised at at the parish level is essential.

It’s the old “does the end justify the means” idea. Recently, in Matt Abbott’s Renew America newsletter, Fr. John Tragilio posted an essay that a Christian can’t lie, even to save lives. “The end doesn’t justify the means.” So, why does the end justify the means on all this church-sponsored gambling, which, to some extent, is fueled by people’s avarice and greed?
Gambling in and of itself is no sin. However, it can become sin, for certain individuals, if it results in a man not being able to provide for his family because he misspent monies. As far as being “fueled by people’s avarice and greed,” this is a broad generalization which may or may not be true. Some people may be motivated by greed, for which it would be at the very least a near occasion of sin, but others may be motivated by fellowship, and this would in no way be sinful.
 
Having such an event during Lent is prolly in bad taste. But outside of Lent, I see nothing wrong with having a Bingo night at church. It sounds fun to me. 🙂
 
I have a problem with casino trips sponsored by local parishes.

The casinos don’t organize trips to churches, do they? Well, there you go. Why are churches organizing trips to casinos?

if you read the entry about gambling at www.newadvent.org, you will see that gambling was condemned by the Church for centuries.

Then, after the council of Trent, it appears that some theologians pencil-whipped the idea and then gambling was OK.

Now, supposedly, the local Bishop is supposed to rule over what is OK or not. When did you ever hear about a Bishop restricting any gambling, on or off of church property? or, drinking alcohol at summer picnics, etc.?

I think there’s a lot of good social activities that people could engage in, besides the social aspects of the bus trips. And, gambling away money, beyond a minimum, confuses me.

People who “know” say the money raised at at the parish level is essential.

It’s the old “does the end justify the means” idea. Recently, in Matt Abbott’s Renew America newsletter, Fr. John Tragilio posted an essay that a Christian can’t lie, even to save lives. “The end doesn’t justify the means.” So, why does the end justify the means on all this church-sponsored gambling, which, to some extent, is fueled by people’s avarice and greed?
A casino trip sponsored by a parish and a casino night at the parish are totally different. A Night at the Races or a Casino night is usually just members of the parish organizing the event and running it themselves. People don’t usually earn much money individually by gambling. Its more “play” than actual gambling. Its more like someone having a poker night in their house and people just enjoying being with each other. Its the same thing as a parish festival having chance games.
 
I don’t like it at all - use the 325 days in the year outside Lent. Where’s penance?
This is like a local church who has such terrific fish sandwiches at the fish fry that it’s no way a sacrifice to eat fish on Friday.
 
I don’t like it at all - use the 325 days in the year outside Lent. Where’s penance?
This is like a local church who has such terrific fish sandwiches at the fish fry that it’s no way a sacrifice to eat fish on Friday.
No matter how good the fish sandwiches are, for me it is a sacrifice. Why? I really love beef. Second, Lent is a period of self-mortification, which is the reason for our sacrifices. Can you provide some kind of magisterial document that says no kind of entertainment whatsoever is acceptable during Lent? Please do so if you can. If you cannot, it would be best if you do not sit in judgment of everyone who is not equal to your impeccable moral character.
 
No matter how good the fish sandwiches are, for me it is a sacrifice. Why? I really love beef. Second, Lent is a period of self-mortification, which is the reason for our sacrifices. Can you provide some kind of magisterial document that says no kind of entertainment whatsoever is acceptable during Lent? Please do so if you can. If you cannot, it would be best if you do not sit in judgment of everyone who is not equal to your impeccable moral character.
As I am only just becoming Catholic, I just wonder about these things. The priest in my parish is part of a traditional order. He believes it is good to go beyond just the bare minimums of observance, not out of being holier-than-thou, but out of reverence for our Lord’s Passion, and His mercy on us. Maybe there is no prohibition against these things during Lent, to me it seems scandalous. I mean that maybe it gives the wrong impression to those whose faith may be weak, or to non-Catholics. In my previous Lutheran church, it did not hold any fund-raisers or rummage sales that brought in money from non-Christians. There is a Bible verse about accepting financial support for the Church from pagans. I wish I could remember where it is.

Just the thoughts of a person who’s come to love the Catholic Church…
 
And you are entitled to your opinion. But be careful, there are just as many people that love the Catholic Church as well that would do all they can to keep their parish schools and their parishes open, rather than seeing them close, and sometimes that means holding a fundraising event that some may not agree with. Just because you might not agree with the timing, doesn’t make the people involved in the event any less Catholic or love the Church less than you do.
 
As I am only just becoming Catholic, I just wonder about these things. The priest in my parish is part of a traditional order. He believes it is good to go beyond just the bare minimums of observance, not out of being holier-than-thou, but out of reverence for our Lord’s Passion, and His mercy on us. Maybe there is no prohibition against these things during Lent, to me it seems scandalous. I mean that maybe it gives the wrong impression to those whose faith may be weak, or to non-Catholics. In my previous Lutheran church, it did not hold any fund-raisers or rummage sales that brought in money from non-Christians. There is a Bible verse about accepting financial support for the Church from pagans. I wish I could remember where it is.

Just the thoughts of a person who’s come to love the Catholic Church…
Here is the thing. If you want to go beyond the bare minimums, by all means do so. But if you go beyond the minimum, then you should not hold others to the same. Not everybody is in the same place spiritually. If you wish to abstain from entertainment during the Lenten season, then do so, but that is your personal choice, and holding others to your choice is not the way to do things.
 
As I am only just becoming Catholic, I just wonder about these things. The priest in my parish is part of a traditional order. He believes it is good to go beyond just the bare minimums of observance, not out of being holier-than-thou, but out of reverence for our Lord’s Passion, and His mercy on us. Maybe there is no prohibition against these things during Lent, to me it seems scandalous. I mean that maybe it gives the wrong impression to those whose faith may be weak, or to non-Catholics. In my previous Lutheran church, it did not hold any fund-raisers or rummage sales that brought in money from non-Christians. There is a Bible verse about accepting financial support for the Church from pagans. I wish I could remember where it is.

Just the thoughts of a person who’s come to love the Catholic Church…
It is easy to be zealous for the Faith when you have just recently come to love it. It is easy for those who have been raised in it to take it for granted and not understand where you are coming from. It can also be harder to be zealous for the faith when the excitement of having joined the Church has worn off. I don’t like the idea of a casino night at church- auctions are ok, or bingo nights where they give non-monetary items to the winners, but I have a problem having a fundraiser that offers winning money as an incentive to participate.
 
A Catholic church nearby recently had a casino night…during Lent. To me, it doesn’t seem right to ever have gambling and Bingo in a church, but especially during Lent.
Any opinions? Why are American churches so casual about what goes on?
It’s not a matter of being casual but what is necessary to keep the operation going. Churches do have schools to run, and a lot of it depends on fundraising activities, especially if the area is middle-to-low income. There is just no way that families can support the necessary tuition fees and educational necessities without the parish engaging in fundraisers. Casino nights and Bingo, as far as I am concerned, are benevolent activities that foster community participation and a lot of times provide social activity for older people. The money raised does not go for criminal activity.
 
Here is the thing. If you want to go beyond the bare minimums, by all means do so. But if you go beyond the minimum, then you should not hold others to the same. Not everybody is in the same place spiritually. If you wish to abstain from entertainment during the Lenten season, then do so, but that is your personal choice, and holding others to your choice is not the way to do things.
I really can’t hold anyone to anything. Priests and parents, however, can encourage, admonish, suggest, give good reasons for, etc. etc.
 
It’s not a matter of being casual but what is necessary to keep the operation going. Churches do have schools to run, and a lot of it depends on fundraising activities, especially if the area is middle-to-low income. There is just no way that families can support the necessary tuition fees and educational necessities without the parish engaging in fundraisers. Casino nights and Bingo, as far as I am concerned, are benevolent activities that foster community participation and a lot of times provide social activity for older people. The money raised does not go for criminal activity.
My point was just that Lent doesn’t seem an appropriate time. I know Bingo and such things are inmportant nights for seniors, etc.
 
My church, had a trip to a casino on bus. I don’t know if that is the same thing that you are talking about or not. I find myself going to church to try to find a community away from the world of impulsive scamming and taking, which is what a casino is. I worked in a casino when I was out of high school. It was very brief, the two environments are like water and oil.
The criminal scamming owners, and the junkie employees, something I’ve been trying to get away from in my community. All the more reason why I continue to seek out the Mormon church in the past couple years But yes; I would think that the church should be protesting a casino not trying to scam money in the same fashion or planning trips to hang out with scammers.

Cheers! 👍
 
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