Catechism Error?

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1747 The right to the exercise of freedom, especially in religious and moral matters, is an inalienable requirement of the dignity of man. But the exercise of freedom does not entail the putative right to say or do anything.

That’s from the new Catechism. Does it not clearly say that people have a right to practice false religions. I know VII only said “a right to freedom from coercion”, which is a protective right, not a right to do something wrong. But the CCC is different. If “especially in religious matters” means “only correct religious beliefs” than the second sentence makes no sense.
 
Yes, it clearly states that one has the right to choose their religion freely. It does NOT say “the right to the excercise of freedom, especially in religious and moral matters but only if one chooses Catholicism”
1747 The right to the exercise of freedom, especially in religious and moral matters, is an inalienable requirement of the dignity of man.
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I don’t see an error. It’s correct. I don’t understand what’s so hard about the concept of freedom of religion. Catholics would like the freedom to practice their religion, and so would everyone else. I don’t understand how someone can want freedom of religion for themselves but deny it to another person.
 
So its a right to chose error. This was condemned by Pius IX and Leo XIII. I am starting to consider sedevacantism to be honest
 
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So its a right to chose error. This was condemned by Pius IX and Leo XIII. I am starting to consider sedevacantism to be honest
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A person has the right to choose their religion, and the right to follow it. And you have the right to consider sedevacantism if you choose. You have the same rights as everyone else.
 
How can God give someone a right to choose something opposed to His will?
 
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1747 The right to the exercise of freedom, especially in religious and moral matters, is an inalienable requirement of the dignity of man. But the exercise of freedom does not entail the putative right to say or do anything.

That’s from the new Catechism. Does it not clearly say that people have a right to practice false religions. I know VII only said “a right to freedom from coercion”, which is a protective right, not a right to do something wrong. But the CCC is different. If “especially in religious matters” means “only correct religious beliefs” than the second sentence makes no sense.
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No, its not an error. It goes with man’s free will. For man to love God truly, man must be able to choose God freely. Which means man must be able to choose anything else other than God freely as well. If everyone is baptized by coercion, then its not love of God.
 
What it is saying, is that it is wrong for us to say you have to believe this or we will kill you. People are not justified for picking the wrong religion but they are allowed to make that choice. It is a right that they deserve because God gave us free will. Free will creates this right to choose which religion but just like in choosing to steal, your choice can be wrong even though it is your right to make that decision.
 
Being free from coercion is not the same thing as having the right to do it. On the “religious freedom” lots of papal quotes were provided to show this, and they definitely contradict the CCC on this
 
Brian Harrison’s book proved that Vatican II doesn’t contradict previous Popes. But even his logic doesn’t cover this one. Does anyone really understand what I’m talking about??
 
It would really help if you would address us and tell us why you think we are wrong, and to use actual quotes from previous Popes to back up your position that this is wrong.
 
There is no contradiction in the Magisterium. Perhaps you should talk to your priest about it. Heuchler explained it well. People are free to choose, and have the right to choose, (by the gift of free will given to us by God), the religion of their choice. They may choose incorrectly but that’s their choice (they may have even been born into that religion). There’s nothing more to say about it.
 
Pope Pius IX condemne this:

Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. – Allocution “Maxima quidem,” June 9, 1862; Damnatio “Multiplices inter,” June 10, 1851.
 
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How can God give someone a right to choose something opposed to His will?
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He did so by gifting us with free will. God didn’t give us free will with conditions, he freely gave it, and we freely choose.
 
Gregory XVI condemned this just as Pius IX did. “Error has no rights” they said. Nobody has a right to do what is objectively wrong.
 
And so what of free will? Does a Pope have the right to take what God has given?
 
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Pope Pius IX condemne this:

Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. – Allocution “Maxima quidem,” June 9, 1862; Damnatio “Multiplices inter,” June 10, 1851.
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Could you show us where the Pope condemned this exact quote and what the reasons were instead of just saying he condemned it.
 
aquinasg said:
1747 The right to the exercise of freedom, especially in religious and moral matters, is an inalienable requirement of the dignity of man. But the exercise of freedom does not entail the putative right to say or do anything.

That’s from the new Catechism. Does it not clearly say that people have a right to practice false religions. I know VII only said “a right to freedom from coercion”, which is a protective right, not a right to do something wrong. But the CCC is different. If “especially in religious matters” means “only correct religious beliefs” than the second sentence makes no sense.
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I think the statement is consistent with VII with statements. So if you know how to reconcile VII pre-VII papal declarations, then you can reconcile this too.

But in case you don’t, this link will help…somewhat

ewtn.com/library/doctrine/rellib.txt
 
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Could you show us where the Pope condemned this exact quote and what the reasons were instead of just saying he condemned it.
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It’s from the syllabus of errors pertaining to philosophy that guides the clergy and teachers of the Church. It wouldn’t be the first time someone took something written in a different time and tried to apply it to today where it doesn’t fit.
 
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