Catholic Action Group (C.A.G) issues UK voters guide for Catholics

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Yay, Thea! There are a few of us here who can help you over there. I am re-arranging my BBC h2g2 site to accommodate some ‘private’ discussions. There seem to be quite a few English folk over here on CA! I agree Catholics need to make pro-life an issue and keep it in the news. That’s in England, Canada, and the U.S. We have our work cut out for us.
 
Ani Ibi:
Yay, Thea! There are a few of us here who can help you over there. I am re-arranging my BBC h2g2 site to accommodate some ‘private’ discussions. There seem to be quite a few English folk over here on CA! I agree Catholics need to make pro-life an issue and keep it in the news. That’s in England, Canada, and the U.S. We have our work cut out for us.
The UK election involves people in Scotland, Wales and the north east of Ireland. As a Canadian I would have hoped you would be more sensitive to the sensitivities of countries with large overbearing neighbours

BTW during the US election the Guardian newspaper arranged for its readers to email US voters with suggestions as to why they should vote Kerry. In response they were told to keep their British butts out of US affairs. I doubt very much if the British would appreciate foreigners interfering in their elections any more than Americans do.
 
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Matt25:
The UK election involves people in Scotland, Wales and the north east of Ireland. As a Canadian I would have hoped you would be more sensitive to the sensitivities of countries with large overbearing neighbours
Ha! Nice try at co-opting the canuk against the yank. The Euro press have been trying to drive a wedge between us canuks and our American cousins for a donkey’s age – to no avail. Are you suggesting, in the light of 1812, that us pore lil canuks have something to fear from those south of 49? And let us keep in mind the British yoke which we shucked from our shoulders.

How does the Scottish parliament factor into the English election? This is a real question because I don’t know.
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Matt25:
BTW during the US election the Guardian newspaper arranged for its readers to email US voters with suggestions as to why they should vote Kerry. In response they were told to keep their British butts out of US affairs. I doubt very much if the British would appreciate foreigners interfering in their elections any more than Americans do.
So what? What is your point? I will not be divided an ruled. As Catholics we share goals which span borders. I (this pore lil canuk up here in Turanna) have been phoning and emailing American politicians, clergy, and diplomats in bulk. I, for one, am not keeping my canuk butt out of US affairs. Nor English affairs in the coming election. The gig is up.
 
BTW during the US election the Guardian newspaper arranged for its readers to email US voters with suggestions as to why they should vote Kerry. In response they were told to keep their British butts out of US affairs. I doubt very much if the British would appreciate foreigners interfering in their elections any more than Americans do.

Matt how did you receive this response? I hope you did not follow the Guardian’s advice!

I for one am heartened by the stance of the pro-life Americans (and Canadians, Ani). If only we had the same heart here! There are some excellent groups here (SPUC, LifeUK, Precious Life for instance) but it is true, the passion among the people doesn’t appear the same. I don’t think we’ve had responses in my parish to the request for info on how candidates are voting. I shall not be dispirited!
 
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Franze:
I am reading Veritas Party and is interesting
Yes, I am too. Certainly a bold response to the situation in England. I didn’t realize how severe it had become. My aunt has been talking in this sort of language for quite some time. In any case, I have emailed my cousin in London asking for his take on the parties and on what the issues are. I also asked him to tell me who had decided on what the issues would be.
 
Ani Ibi:
Ha! Nice try at co-opting the canuk against the yank.
I was trying to do nothing of the kind. I was suggesting that you do not refer to non English people as being English. The Canadians I have met do not like being called Americans. New Zealanders do not like being called Australian and Swiss do notlike being called French, German or italian.
How does the Scottish parliament factor into the English election? This is a real question because I don’t know…
There is no English election there is a UK wide election. England is part of the UK. It has no separate parliament. It has no separate election.
So what? What is your point? I will not be divided an ruled. As Catholics we share goals which span borders. I (this pore lil canuk up here in Turanna) have been phoning and emailing American politicians, clergy, and diplomats in bulk. I, for one, am not keeping my canuk butt out of US affairs. Nor English affairs in the coming election. The gig is up.
You do not know the difference between Britain and England so if you express your opinion about the election to Brits your ignorance is more likely to antagonise voters than encourage them to vote for your favoured right wing candidates. So please go ahead antagonise away.
 
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Franze:
I am reading Veritas Party and is interesting
They are racists who hate foreigners and British Muslims. They are interesting in the sense that Fascism is interesting. And horrible. Veritas are wicked. And horribly mis-named
 
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Matt25:
They are racists who hate foreigners and British Muslims. They are interesting in the sense that Fascism is interesting. And horrible. Veritas are wicked. And horribly mis-named
Matt is correct- the guy who leads this party was sacked from the BBC for making racist comments in a newpaper. He strikes me as a xenaphobe.

What do you make of George Galloway Matt?
 
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Illini:
I have a question for the British users here: It is possible for abortion to be an important issue in the UK as it is in the USA? What would need to take place for that to happen?
I don’t think so. It’s just my personal opinion. I don’t know if I would want it used as a cynical election ploy either- although I think it would be good to encourage the debate to be brought more to the public fore!
I feel that GW used it to gain Christian votes, ultimately he’s not going to change things.
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Illini:
A recent article in The Economist regarding Howard’s abortion proposal doubted that the Conservatives could ever find success on the moral values plank as the Republicans do in America. Also, my impression is that abortion is broadly accepted in the UK unlike the US. But I would like to know the take on the subject from actual UK citizens.

Thanks.

-Illini
I think citizens in the UK are more secular and more cynical. One thing I have found here is that American posters are vehemently in favour of GW Bush- in the UK, I would say we are much more cynical and criticise the party we support as well as the opposition. The general feeling is don’t trust anyone (I think), so when you get someone like Ken Livingstone, who appears to actually be telling the truth, he recieves massive support.

As for affecting the abortion argument, I think we need to be less emotive on the issue, the argument is extremely valid in it’s own right and I think we need to force that debate.
 
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FightingFat:
What do you make of George Galloway Matt?
Gorgeous George? He featured a lot up here as a Glasgow MP. He always rubbed me up the wrong way. He would take the same sort of stance as me on issues like the Iraq war but then use such extremist demagogic ranting that he would do the cause more harm than good.

However, he was on Question Time the other week and speaking off his usual topics came across as more thoughtful. For example he was very opposed to the way Terri Schiavo was allowed to die. Apparently he is a Catholic and against abortion. So he is more complex than I used to allow for. Having said which, the Respect Coalition which he now heads up is in large part a Socialist Workers Party project so I would approach it with caution.

You can see more at ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_04126bow.shtml
 
He was on the Jeremy Vine show this lunch time and make a lot of sense I thought. As with you, his ranting has put me off before.

Do you ever go to St. Patricks off the Royal Mile?
 
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FightingFat:
Do you ever go to St. Patricks off the Royal Mile?
I do yes. Its not my Parish but they have a Mass at 4.30pm on Sundays which is sometimes convenient for me. Do you know it well then?
 
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Matt25:
I was trying to do nothing of the kind. I was suggesting that you do not refer to non English people as being English.
You are sidestepping.
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Matt25:
The Canadians I have met do not like being called Americans. New Zealanders do not like being called Australian and Swiss do not like being called French, German or italian.
Did the U.S. annex Canada? Did Australia annex New Zealand? Did France, Germany, or Italy annex Switzerland? No. So false analogy.
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Matt25:
There is no English election there is a UK wide election. England is part of the UK. It has no separate parliament. It has no separate election.
The United Kingdom is hardly united. The question was a simple one as to how the Scottish parliament functioned. Now that we are on that topic, how does the Welsh Assembly function? You would do well to refrain from being confrontational and simply answer the questions put to you instead of sidestepping. I think the purpose of these discussions is to increase our knowledge as Catholics as to how to vote pro-life. If you want to score points for the Culture of Death then the BBC message boards will accommodate you. If you want to contribute to discussions on voting pro-life then please remember your manners when addressing people who are not English, whether they be Scottish, Welsh, Canadian, New Zealanders, or Swiss.
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Matt25:
You do not know the difference between Britain and England
Oh but I do. I never refer to England as anything other than what it is: England.
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Matt25:
so if you express your opinion about the election to Brits your ignorance is more likely to antagonise voters than encourage them to vote for your favoured right wing candidates. So please go ahead antagonise away.
Will do. By the way, for clarity: it is not a question of right-wing; it is a question of heterodox. That’s you told.
 
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Matt25:
I do yes. Its not my Parish but they have a Mass at 4.30pm on Sundays which is sometimes convenient for me. Do you know it well then?
Yes, rather well. One of my best friends, Dominic, lives in the community there he was ordained last year and I was honoured to attend, do you know him?
 
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FightingFat:
Yes, rather well. One of my best friends, Dominic, lives in the community there he was ordained last year and I was honoured to attend, do you know him?
'Fraid not. I do like the Church though. It looks gorgeous this Easter.
 
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FightingFat:
I don’t think so. It’s just my personal opinion. I don’t know if I would want it used as a cynical election ploy either- although I think it would be good to encourage the debate to be brought more to the public fore!
I feel that GW used it to gain Christian votes, ultimately he’s not going to change things.

I think citizens in the UK are more secular and more cynical. One thing I have found here is that American posters are vehemently in favour of GW Bush- in the UK, I would say we are much more cynical and criticise the party we support as well as the opposition. The general feeling is don’t trust anyone (I think), so when you get someone like Ken Livingstone, who appears to actually be telling the truth, he recieves massive support.

As for affecting the abortion argument, I think we need to be less emotive on the issue, the argument is extremely valid in it’s own right and I think we need to force that debate.
As a UK citizen I would say that the US posters (here, at least) are vehemently in support of George Bush because he is vehemently pro-life. None of the major parties in the UK have anything to say on the matter unless you ask them, and then it’s mostly to tell you to go away, it’s not a political issue. ‘Life’ as we understand it isn’t part of their manifesto. So there isn’t anything truly moral to divvie them up.

I’d vote for Bush if he was running over here (and in case you bring up the death penalty issue he already had a conversation with JP2 about that…the man has a good heart and he is capable of change).
 
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Thea:
As a UK citizen I would say that the US posters (here, at least) are vehemently in support of George Bush because he is vehemently pro-life.
I think if you read through some of the post election threads you’ll find many are disallusioned with how well, GWB has lived up to his pro-life mandate. Would you not be worried that people would start using this important issue as a political football?
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Thea:
None of the major parties in the UK have anything to say on the matter unless you ask them, and then it’s mostly to tell you to go away, it’s not a political issue. ‘Life’ as we understand it isn’t part of their manifesto. So there isn’t anything truly moral to divvie them up.
I think you can divvie them up based on their stand on social justice issues which have to be of primary concern to Catholic voters.
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Thea:
I’d vote for Bush if he was running over here (and in case you bring up the death penalty issue he already had a conversation with JP2 about that…the man has a good heart and he is capable of change).
I would be more concerned with his ardent pro-war, pro-violence policies.
 
The C.A.G’s voters guide has been distributed this weekend via all the Catholic Newspapers in the UK and has also been handed outr by a number of Pro-Life groups in marginal costituencies.

Please all pray for pro-life candidates being selected.

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