Catholic and Democrat in US

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I think when it comes down it, the only certain general statement a Catholic in the US can make is this: no one – including other Catholics – can definitively say that we are sinning if we vote for candidate X. I mention this because undoubtedly some here between now and November will say the opposite and it’s simply not true. While some might prefer a black & white approach, voting as a Catholic is usually a nuanced affair that involves the individual, his or her priest if necessary, and God.

As far as the two major parties in the US, neither lines up with Catholic teachings, despite what various unscrupulous voter guides might suggest. Hence the nuanced affair.
 
So I am going to pick on Sen Graham for a sec. Is what he has said in the past a lie, or the truth?

Has he been true to his previous words, or has he just rolled over and played along with his party to keep himself in office? Is this person worthy of the office he currently holds.

Yes this is a political ad, but these are the words coming out of his mouth.

 
So, no democrat-leaning people here want to comment on Kamala Harris? Other seeming attacks on religion from the Democrats?
 
MagdalenaRita said:
If there is something in a particular party’s platform that goes against the Church and you vote for anyone in that party you are voting against the Church Christ gave us.
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Then we cant vote for most candidates.
 
This kind of proves my point. Do you follow individuals or do you look at party platforms? Hearts and minds can change.

Graham said these things in 2015 and it is considered an ad that was greatly pieced together to cause deception.
 
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MagdalenaRita said:
This kind of proves my point. Do you follow individuals or do you look at party platforms? Hearts and minds can change.
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Sometimes a candidate can be so repugnant that it’s not possible to vote for him or her regardless of the party platform.
 
JulianN said:
Sometimes a candidate can be so repugnant that it’s not possible to vote for him or her regardless of the party platform.
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True, I dont think that means we vote for the other person, though. We may have to not vote in that category or vote third party.
 
1ke said:
And, there are many issues including abortion that have to be weighed.
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That is true, but I have a hard time thinking any other issue comes close in importance:

2000 innocent babies yesterday, 2000 innocent babies today, 2000 innocent babies tomorrow…
Year after year after year.
 
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Shakuhachi said:
I don’t vote fro a party. I vote for a candidate.
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That’s nice, but don’t you see how the elected officials work together and vote together in a block typically? You might not vote along party lines, but the people in office usually do. You are naive if you don’t realize that IMO.
 
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MagdalenaRita said:
This kind of proves my point. Do you follow individuals or do you look at party platforms? Hearts and minds can change.

Graham said these things in 2015.
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No, hearts and minds don’t change that quickly. Graham is beholden to his party. It is his religion, like many voters.

They ignore their conscience and simply vote for the party, or who the party has chosen to represent them.

I will not vote for Ratcliff, Cruz or Cornyn the next time they are on the ballot. Period. They have put the party above the Constitution which they took the oath the uphold. They do not deserve to be in office.
 
farronwolf said:
No, hearts and minds don’t change that quickly. Graham is beholden to his party. It is his religion, like many voters.
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As I said it is a well pieced together ad with comments from 2015. Meant to deceive and harm Mr. Graham…
1ke said:
The literal survival of our republic comes to mind. I think that’s where we are at this point.
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It is certainly extremely important but not more important than lives. Also the democratic party has no desire for the survival of our republic.
 
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There is no deception. Graham said those things. No one was pointing a gun at his head. That is what he believed.

He probably still believes those things, but for his political future, he has rolled over and supported his party that elected Trump instead of him.

He is a slave to his party.
 
farronwolf said:
There is no deception. Graham said those things. No one was pointing a gun at his head. That is what he believed.
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The deception is to make one believe he is saying those things NOW.

He might believe those things and he might not, we can’t read his heart or Mr. Graham could have realized that President Trump is not who he thought President Trump was when he originally said those things. I certainly wouldn’t want to believe I could read Mr. Graham’s mind.
farronwolf said:
He is a slave to his party.
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Exactly. This is just what I am saying. Individuals will stick with their party and it’s platform.
1ke said:
I disagree
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We will definitely have to just agree to disagree here. No problem.
 
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We will also just have to agree to disagree.

Praying for this election. The recent events around the different cities, especially in San Francisco show it truly will be an important one, even for Catholics.
 
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It’s generally not considered appropriate to quote and respond to a post after the poster removed it.
 
JulianN said:
It’s generally not considered appropriate to quote and respond to a post after the poster removed it.
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Sorry, that happens sometimes. I didn’t realize you deleted it until I commented. I will edit. 🙂
 
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