Catholic archbishop discourages focus on satanists' Christmas Eve plans

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The archbishop of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Oklahoma City has broken his silence about a satanist group’s plans for a Christmas Eve protest outside a historic downtown Oklahoma City church.
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The Most Rev. Paul S. Coakley said he is discouraging Catholic parishioners from focusing on Satanist Adam Daniels’ protest to be held outside historic St. Joseph Old Cathedral (pictured). Daniels revealed his plans Dec. 11 , saying his planned display titled the “Virgin Birth is a Lie” is aimed at “exposing lies” of the Catholic Church.
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In a statement posted on the archdiocese’s website and Facebook page on Thursday, Dec. 17, Coakley said he was “disgusted” by the “audacity” of the satanist group’s Christmas Eve plans.
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Archbishop Coakley has tangled with these jerks before.

August 20, 2014:
Oklahoma City Satanists Sued to Retrieve ‘Stolen’ Consecrated Host
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At noon Wednesday, local time, attorneys representing the Archdiocese of Oklahoma filed a lawsuit concerning the satanic “black mass” scheduled to be held on Sept. 21 at the Oklahoma City Civic Center Music Hall.
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As previously reported by Breitbart News, a group calling itself Dakhma of Angra Mainyu, led by registered sex offender Adam Daniels, has announced that it is in possession of a Consecrated Host – a communion wafer transformed, according to Catholic doctrine, by a priest in good standing into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ – which it intends to desecrate during the ceremony.
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The lawsuit is asking the Oklahoma County Sheriff’s office to get the Consecrated Host back and return it to its rightful owner, the Catholic Church, and specifically, the archdiocese.
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Speaking to the National Catholic Register, Oklahoma City Archbishop Paul Coakley said, “Our contention is that they are in possession of stolen property. They cannot complete their satanic ritual without a Consecrated Host, and they have no means of acquiring one except through theft. We are asking the court to order them to return it immediately to me.”
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Sounds like the Satanists are looking for revenge.
 
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Daniels told The Oklahoman he plans to pour costume blood over a Virgin Mary statue that has been treated “with sulfur powder and ash,” outside the downtown church at 307 NW 4. He said prayers also will be said to the statue.
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:knight1::gopray2: O Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Your Son Jesus Christ, present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifferences by which He is offended. By the infinite merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary I beg the conversion of poor sinners. :crossrc::knight2:
 
While they have the right in this country to protest, they do not have the right to destroy property ie the statue mentioned in an earlier post. Police officers always attend protests that have a suspicion of getting out of hand even when they are meant to be peaceful, hopefully there will be one at this one.
 
The Archbishop is correct that these clowns should not be allowed to occupy Christians’ thoughts on Christmas Eve.
 
Is it a sin to pray that they’ll become physically incapacitated so that they can’t commit this horror?

Not wishing for death…just a way to stop them…
 
Personally, I’d like the see them spend the night in jail. Public order laws would probably provide a way.
 
EIF5A said:
Is it a sin to pray that they’ll become physically incapacitated so that they can’t commit this horror?

Not wishing for death…just a way to stop them…
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Better, imo, to pray for their conversion. Maybe their doing this will cause them to recoil from what they are becoming.
 
Praying for their conversion.

If they want to remain anti-catholic I wouldn’t mess with consecrated hosts, they may just receive a christmas Eucharistic miracle they weren’t expecting. Sad to think that they actually believe that satan has power over the risen Christ.
 
Prayers, Yes.

However sometimes I think a show of force is necessary and this would be an occasionfor such. Non-violent obviously but imagine a few hundred Catholics with their rosaries showed up? Letting them know it’s not on.

This is just disgusting.
 
I just want to point out the irony of Adam Daniels last name… “God Is My Judge”
 
How would people explain this to a child who asked them, especially if they saw someone pouring blood on a statue of Mary? I need to start thinking of this stuff.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
Praying for their conversion.

If they want to remain anti-catholic I wouldn’t mess with consecrated hosts, they may just receive a christmas Eucharistic miracle they weren’t expecting. Sad to think that they actually believe that satan has power over the risen Christ.
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Which brings up a theological point I raised sometime ago. Why would God choose to remain in the consecrated hosts, if all they were used for was to desecrate the sacrament?
 
TCEL said:
How would people explain this to a child who asked them, especially if they saw someone pouring blood on a statue of Mary? I need to start thinking of this stuff.
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I would explain it pretty much like I do everything else - there are people who chose to behave badly. They want attention so they act up and try to make the most “noise” / cause the most “trouble” they can so everyone will pay attention to them. What they are doing is wrong and it is not acceptable.

If prolonged questioning went on, I’d gently remind the child that it’s important to worry about what WE do, how WE act, and what the consequences for US are - rather than worry about what someone else is doing.

The similarities between 5 year olds and supposed adults always amazes me, and that usually the best response (slightly modified for circumstances) to each is pretty much the same. 🤷
 
Dacinom said:
I believe that Jesus Christ has offered himself up to being mistreated by human beings since the moment of his birth. He offered his flesh to be spit on and desecrated, and so it continues. He has promised us he would be with us in the Eucharist, I don’t imagine him “dodging out” because a host is about to be mutilated.

Exactly why He allows His most holy and perfect self to be treated this way, I don’t fully understand. Easily Jesus could disappear from the Eucharist, just as He could have disappeared from the scourging at the pillar or the cross however He chose to stay. Such a God to humble himself to such lowliness is beyond my grasp.
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Thanks for your thoughts. I imagine since the early days of the Church, they have found ways to desecrate the sacred Body and Blood of Christ. That’s a lot of sin that could have been avoided had no one cared. But they consciously do these acts. Or worse yet, they are taught to do these things. So I guess even if Christ would remove Himself from the sacred Host, the INTENT to desecrate would be enough to condemn an individual.
 
ProVobis said:
Thanks for your thoughts. I imagine since the early days of the Church, they have found ways to desecrate the sacred Body and Blood of Christ. That’s a lot of sin that could have been avoided had no one cared. But they consciously do these acts. Or worse yet, they are taught to do these things. So I guess even if Christ would remove Himself from the sacred Host, the INTENT to desecrate would be enough to condemn an individual.
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If Christ removed Himself from the Real Presence at the first sign of trouble, where would be the sin or evil in attempted desecration? There could never be any desecration because we would simply assume the Real Presence would cease before we could effect it. Therefore what would stop me from spitting out the host and stomping on it rather than consuming it reverently, if it wouldn’t be desecration anyway?
 
Elizium23 said:
If Christ removed Himself from the Real Presence at the first sign of trouble, where would be the sin or evil in attempted desecration? There could never be any desecration because we would simply assume the Real Presence would cease before we could effect it. Therefore what would stop me from spitting out the host and stomping on it rather than consuming it reverently, if it wouldn’t be desecration anyway?
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This topic isn’t something I’ve been too troubled with, but you raised a really interesting point!
 
Elizium23 said:
If Christ removed Himself from the Real Presence at the first sign of trouble, where would be the sin or evil in attempted desecration? There could never be any desecration because we would simply assume the Real Presence would cease before we could effect it. Therefore what would stop me from spitting out the host and stomping on it rather than consuming it reverently, if it wouldn’t be desecration anyway?
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Valid point. According to the bishops, the Real Presence remains as long as there is appearance of bread and wine. I don’t know exactly how that works for clear wine but say one desecrates (unintentionally maybe) the Host by dropping it the mud (outdoor Mass in the rain, for example). Can it be further desecrated? And if it’s not edible, what is one supposed to do with it? Sort of a variation of your point, I think.
 
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