Catholic bishop bars pro-abortion U.S. senator from Communion until he ‘repents’

[Raxus]

I am not about to think I know what God thinks about the nuances with regard to a mother’s life, fetal life and so forth.

I think this comment is silly. There’s no “nuance” when it comes to human life. It’s human life from the get-go, and we’ve got that in black-and-white. (“Before you were in your mother’s womb, I knew you.”) We don’t need to create dilemma where there is none, and the only reason for doing so is to try and rationalize what we know to be evil.

am certain God knows Sen Durbin is a legislator in a secular society with plural beliefs.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. It doesn’t matter if 100% of the people in this country believe that abortion is ok. It isn’t. Period. God knows that, too.

I also find it super interesting that in one sentence, you shy away from claiming to know what God thinks, and in the VERY NEXT you’re certain you know what He knows. Consistency would be nice.

But in any case I’m fine with leaving all of this in an all knowing and merciful God’s hands to sort out rather than on the internet.

God has already told us what we need to know about this.

So I am departing from this thread.

Later, gator. Don’t blame you. I’d abandon this indefensible line of reasoning, too.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Ok I saw this

I think this comment is silly. There’s no “nuance” when it comes to human life. It’s human life from the get-go, and we’ve got that in black-and-white. (“Before you were in your mother’s womb, I knew you.”) We don’t need to create dilemma where there is none, and the only reason for doing so is to try and rationalize what we know to be evil.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. It doesn’t matter if 100% of the people in this country believe that abortion is ok. It isn’t. Period. God knows that, too.

I also find it super interesting that in one sentence, you shy away from claiming to know what God thinks, and in the VERY NEXT you’re certain you know what He knows. Consistency would be nice.

God has already told us what we need to know about this.

Later, gator. Don’t blame you. I’d abandon this indefensible line of reasoning, too.

I’ll just say this since I saw in my notifications you had replied. Oh it’s defensible. Other faiths view the matter differently including the Jewish faith. There are all sorts of views among people of faith. And yes faithful Catholics indeed have theirs as well and you do a good job of expressing them. I’m not Jewish but on the old CAF I was once reprimanded for leading Catholics against the Magisterium simply for pointing out the Jewish view. So that’s why I depart. But I do think God knows Dick Durbin is a US senator so that point of yours escaped me. Blessings along your journey.

 

[Raxus]

Oh it’s defensible.

No it isn’t. Human life is human life, and the willful taking of that life is murder.

Other faiths view the matter differently including the Jewish faith.

If so, then the Jews are wrong.

There are all sorts of views among people of faith.

Doesn’t make them correct.

And yes faithful Catholics indeed have theirs as well and you do a good job of expressing them.

Thank you. The view that a human being is a human being isn’t a Catholic view, however, so much as a simple, objective truth.

I’m not Jewish but on the old CAF I was once reprimanded for leading Catholics against the Magisterium simply for pointing out the Jewish view.

Wasn’t there, can’t comment.

So that’s why I depart

Ho-kay.

But I do think God knows Dick Durbin is a US senator so that point of yours escaped me.

The point is that you reprimanded me for claiming to know that God thinks, and then in the same breath you stated that you KNOW what God knows. It’s hypocritical.

Blessings along your journey.

You too.

 

[Ender]

Other faiths view the matter differently including the Jewish faith. There are all sorts of views among people of faith.

The question here is how a Catholic bishop ought to respond when another Catholic is in clear violation of Canon 915. The views of other faiths in this case are irrelevant. The discussion is whether the action of this bishop in this case is justified, and unless one can demonstrate how a Catholic bishop doing what the Church professes to believe is unjustified, I can’t see any objection to his action.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Interview with Bishop Paprocki on EWTN:

 

[AHapka]

Well, it’s hard for me to know for sure what God thinks.

However, we were provided with a Church on the rock of St. Peter to teach us what to believe. The Church has spoken on this matter, and it is clear in the catechism. So, regardless of my personal beliefs, I stand by the Bishop here. He’s the one in charge and the one with Holy Orders.