Catholic bishop: Gen. Pace's remarks were 'imprudent'

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The above link is about General Pace’s comments on homosexuality. I remember reading at WND what he said and it seemed to me that what he said was in line with Catholic teaching. If I am wrong then please set me straight about it. If not then why is a CATHOLIC Bishop criticizing him for the remarks?
 
childofmary1143 said:
renewamerica.us/columns/abbott/070314

The above link is about General Pace’s comments on homosexuality. I remember reading at WND what he said and it seemed to me that what he said was in line with Catholic teaching. If I am wrong then please set me straight about it. If not then why is a CATHOLIC Bishop criticizing him for the remarks?
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The way I read it, he isn’t criticizing the content of his remarks. The Bishop is saying that it was imprudent for General Pace to make the statement because of his position in the military.
 
Yeah, not everything allowed is expedient for everyone.

What he said should just be assumed. Why say it if it doesnt accomplish anything and only causes trouble?

Even the early Christians practiced their faith in secret. Most didn’t stand out in the streets screaming “I’m Christian!” and inviting martyrdom. No need to go looking for trouble, or put out information that no one asked for, even if it is true.
 
No need to go looking for trouble, or put out information that no one asked for, even if it is true.
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this isn’t exactly nazi germany or communist russia. pace will not be killed for publically recognizing the immorality of homosexual conduct. weather it was appropriate for him to discuss this is another story.

the bishop if i understand him is wrong. we must proclaim the gospel, even if it leads to our death. the bible is clear on this
***Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you (falsely) because of me.
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Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you.*** Matt 5:11-12
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but for the general to publically apologize and say that he was just expressing his opinion is not ok. homosexual acts go against the natural law. we can’t dismiss the truth as being merely a matter of opinion.
“***Whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this faithless and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.” ***Mk 8:38
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childofmary1143 said:
renewamerica.us/columns/abbott/070314

The above link is about General Pace’s comments on homosexuality. I remember reading at WND what he said and it seemed to me that what he said was in line with Catholic teaching. If I am wrong then please set me straight about it. If not then why is a CATHOLIC Bishop criticizing him for the remarks?
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Very good question. I am not in the military, but IMO those serving in the military are not enthused about having to share very close quarters with others who are of a different sexual persuation. God bless General Pace for having the courage and the conscience to speak the truth. In this day of politically correct speach, where one cannot express an opinion if it does not fit the secular criteria, it is rare to find a Catholic who acts and speaks like one.
 
rlg94086 said:
The way I read it, he isn’t criticizing the content of his remarks. The Bishop is saying that it was imprudent for General Pace to make the statement because of his position in the military.
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So if that is correct then the Bishop feels that the Natural Law is something that doesn’t have to be obeyed if you are high up in the Military?
 
I WAS in the military (Navy) and there were three types of individuals whom we detested: a thief, a scrounge (bad hygiene), and a homosexual.

Why am I thinking that we’re getting closer and closer to Big Brother and his Thought Police? I found it refreshing that General Pace expressed the TRUTH about the matter.
 
Now the Bishop clarifies his comments:

theconservativevoice.com/article/23499.html

I really wish the Bishop would enlarge what he means when he says “It was a mistake because – and he would be the first to agree – as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, he has a responsibility to enforce the policy of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ which Congress put into law.”
 
mary_bobo said:
Very good question. I am not in the military, but IMO those serving in the military are not enthused about having to share very close quarters with others who are of a different sexual persuation.
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I’m in the military, and, frankly, it wouldn’t really bother me. There are already plenty of homosexuals in the military. They just aren’t allowed to be open about it. Occassionally, it’s an open secret that such-and-such is gay.

We’re already living in close quarters with gays. We’re already sharing showers with them. I doubt it will cause too many major problems if gays are allowed to admit their orientation publicly.

I should mention that I’m not opposed to the current policy. Actually, I think it makes some sense. I just don’t see it as that big of a deal.
 
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So if that is correct then the Bishop feels that the Natural Law is something that doesn’t have to be obeyed if you are high up in the Military?
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Where in the world did you get that from the Bishop’s statement or my post?
 
As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs, Gen. Pace has to enforce the policy. His *personal view *is distinct from the duty of his position. Injecting his personal view gives people the incorrect appearance that he is enforcing ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ because of his personal beliefs, rather than just carrying out his duties.

If congress and the president change the law to allow homosexuals to serve openly, Gen. Pace will also have to enforce that, regardless of his personal opinion.
childofmary1143 said:
Now the Bishop clarifies his comments:

theconservativevoice.com/article/23499.html

I really wish the Bishop would enlarge what he means when he says “It was a mistake because – and he would be the first to agree – as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, he has a responsibility to enforce the policy of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ which Congress put into law.”
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rlg94086 said:
As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs, Gen. Pace has to enforce the policy. His *personal view *is distinct from the duty of his position. Injecting his personal view gives people the incorrect appearance that he is enforcing ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ because of his personal beliefs, rather than just carrying out his duties.

If congress and the president change the law to allow homosexuals to serve openly, Gen. Pace will also have to enforce that, regardless of his personal opinion.
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But if the law is immoral then Gen. Pace as a Good Catholic is obligated by the LAW OF GOD to follow what God says and not what the State says. Now this matter isn’t about a law but surely a Catholic General can express his Catholic beliefs and NOT BE CRITICIZED by a CATHOLIC Bishop?
 
childofmary1143 said:
But if the law is immoral then Gen. Pace as a Good Catholic is obligated by the LAW OF GOD to follow what God says and not what the State says. Now this matter isn’t about a law but surely a Catholic General can express his Catholic beliefs and NOT BE CRITICIZED by a CATHOLIC Bishop?
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I don’t think Catholic teaching would require a Catholic general to disobey a rule allowing homosexual men and women to serve, if the government decided it was allowed. I don’t believe it is a sin to allow a homosexual person to serve in the military.

What is wrong with the Bishop’s criticism? He is agreeing with General Pace’s apology.
 
childofmary1143 said:
But if the law is immoral then Gen. Pace as a Good Catholic is obligated by the LAW OF GOD to follow what God says and not what the State says. Now this matter isn’t about a law but surely a Catholic General can express his Catholic beliefs and NOT BE CRITICIZED by a CATHOLIC Bishop?
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The law is not immoral; if it were, it would be his duty to challenge it. The immorality lies in the actions of homosexual members. “Don’t ask, don’t tell” is a cop out, but basically only says that we won’t try too hard to discriminate against this particular type of immorality. It could equally apply to service members who commit non-marital heterosexual acts, but our society accepts that as the norm now and not a scandal.
 
I’d also like to add that I’ve been in the military for 24 years now, and the thought of a homosexually oriented person sharing the same living quarters with me doesn’t upset me and never has. As I tell my wife, when a good Sailor has done his or her work for the day, the only thing he or she wants to do in bed (in the “rack” as we say) is sleep.
 
RJB said:
I WAS in the military (Navy) and there were three types of individuals whom we detested: a thief, a scrounge (bad hygiene), and a homosexual.

Why am I thinking that we’re getting closer and closer to Big Brother and his Thought Police? I found it refreshing that General Pace expressed the TRUTH about the matter.
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RSulli:
I was in the Navy a long time ago. I remember the connection between the “scrounge”, “thief” and unit coheision. But honestly the “homosexual” circumstance seldom occured. As it seldom occured in society. Things have changed in this regard. My dilema is understanding if the change is for the better or worse. I tend to think it may be for the better if only because, by grace, Gods will will eventually prevail.
 
Grace and Peace be with you all,

One of the nine ways of being an accessory to another’s sin…

One of them is ‘Silence’. :o

Here are all of them:
  1. By counsel
  2. By command
  3. By consent
  4. By provocation
  5. By praise or flattery
  6. By concealment
  7. By partaking
  8. By silence
  9. By defense of the ill done
 
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