Catholic Bishop ordains Anglican Bishops?

[manualman]

Astute observers might note that the word “Anglican” no longer appears on GKC’s post header.

Do I detect some damp toes at least??

 

[GKC]

Astute observers might note that the word “Anglican” no longer appears on GKC’s post header.

Do I detect some damp toes at least??

I am not sure what the initial comment relates to (though the damp toes part is clear enough).

I’ve never declared my affiliation anywhere, except in the body of a post, or when I tack on something like Anglicanus-Catholicus or posterus traditus Anglicanus, after my signature. Which I still do, when I think the content of the post warrants it. But I’ll give a nickle for any post of mine you can find, in the past 7 years, which has Anglican in the header. Never filled out the form to do so.

If I understand what you mean by that.

Not that the assumption is anything insulting, of course. Just a tiny bit
conclusion-jumping.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus, posterus traditus Anglicanus

 

[manualman]

Oopsie. Musta been Edwin I was thinking of (I get my favorite Anglicans mixed up), or perhaps it was the footer you refer to. Mea Culpa.

 

[GKC]

Oopsie. Musta been Edwin I was thinking of (I get my favorite Anglicans mixed up), or perhaps it was the footer you refer to. Mea Culpa.

Ne vous inquiétez pas.

I’d not mind being mistaken for Edwin, in some dimensions.

In others, less so.

GKC,

Anglican of the motley sort. As are we all.

 

[Conor7]

I can’t understand how any Anglican couild justify remained Anglican or Episcopalian knowing such things. It would be in their best interest to move towards either Orthodox or Catholic Christianity. In a sense, receiving communion become idolatry because there could be no Eucharist. That’s such a huge and unnecessary chance to take.

I can understand why you don’t understand (if that makes sense,) but consider that there are perhaps some who remain Anglican due to the fact that neither Catholics, nor Orthodox ordain women. I’m not saying that this is necessarily my particular view, or the reason why I remain an Episcopalian, but offering this up for consideration.

One can easily find a smattering of articles on the Web or books in your local Barnes and Noble supplying academic evidence for the ordination of women in the ancient Church. I recall reading an article by Gary Macy once that didn’t leave much of an impression on me. Is the evidence convincing? Well I suppose that’s for the individual to decide.

Incidentally, my parish priest is a female, and admittedly, I don’t give it much thought until debates like this. Maybe if I were brought up Catholic it would weigh more heavily on my mind. Since I was brought up Pentecostal, I’m just trying adjust to the fact that there are more books in the Bible than just the Book of Revelation.

 

[Bluegoat]

I can understand why you don’t understand (if that makes sense,) but consider that there are perhaps some who remain Anglican due to the fact that neither Catholics, nor Orthodox ordain women. I’m not saying that this is necessarily my particular view, or the reason why I remain an Episcopalian, but offering this up for consideration.

One can easily find a smattering of articles on the Web or books in your local Barnes and Noble supplying academic evidence for the ordination of women in the ancient Church. I recall reading an article by Gary Macy once that didn’t leave much of an impression on me. Is the evidence convincing? Well I suppose that’s for the individual to decide.

Incidentally, my parish priest is a female, and admittedly, I don’t give it much thought until debates like this. Maybe if I were brought up Catholic it would weigh more heavily on my mind. Since I was brought up Pentecostal, I’m just trying adjust to the fact that there are more books in the Bible than just the Book of Revelation.

Well, I think many are like I am. I’m in an orthodox parish, so practically speaking I have a place to worship. And so far I haven’t been forced to leave it. It may be that at some point I will not be able to remain in my diocese, in which case there is a good chance my parish, or a large portion of it, will also be looking for a new home. There may be a number of things that happen then and I hope we will be able to discern what to do together. Or it may be that, as a wise priest I knew said “it’s all foolishness and it can’t last” in which case the ACC will need us.

 

[ltwin]

I think that’s why the question about 3 bishops. If a priestly ordination requires only one bishop and that bishop is a female, she would be the “essential” participant and the whole ordination would fail.

How wide spread do you think this is in the Anglican/Episcopal Church?

Wikipedia has an informative article on women’s ordination in the Anglican Communion. Be warned though, since it is Wikipedia its accuracy can’t be guaranteed.

That article gives the following list:

Bishops (consecrated)
Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia; Australia; Canada; United States (including Cuba)

Bishops (none yet consecrated)
Bangladesh, Brazil, Central America, Hong Kong, Ireland, Japan, Mexico, North India, Philippines, Scotland, Southern Africa, Sudan

Priests
Burundi, England, Indian Ocean, Jerusalem and the Middle East, Kenya, Korea, Rwanda, South India, Uganda, Wales, West Indies, West Africa

Deacons
Southern Cone, Congo, Pakistan

No ordination of women
Central Africa, Melanesia, Nigeria, Papua New Guinea, South East Asia, Tanzania

 

[ltwin]

Well, I think many are like I am. I’m in an orthodox parish, so practically speaking I have a place to worship. And so far I haven’t been forced to leave it. It may be that at some point I will not be able to remain in my diocese, in which case there is a good chance my parish, or a large portion of it, will also be looking for a new home. There may be a number of things that happen then and I hope we will be able to discern what to do together. Or it may be that, as a wise priest I knew said “it’s all foolishness and it can’t last” in which case the ACC will need us.

Sorry to hear about your trouble. It seems that the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church in Canada are tearing themselves apart. Have you considered the continuum or ACNA or AMiA?

 

[Bluegoat]

Sorry to hear about your trouble. It seems that the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church in Canada are tearing themselves apart. Have you considered the continuum or ACNA or AMiA?

As I said, I am ok in my parish, for now the diocese leaves us alone. We’ll see about the future when it comes.

I am not so sold on the Anglican break away groups. We have a continuing parish here which I think is going to join the Catholic Church, which doesn’t interest me. I am rather wary of the continuers having had a bad experience with the ones here and poor oversight. I am really not keen on the whole idea of breaking up into smaller groups either, though that may be what happens in the short term.

If my parish or some of us end up leaving, I’d like us to look at Western Orthodoxy, but we’ll see.

 

[GKC]

As I said, I am ok in my parish, for now the diocese leaves us alone. We’ll see about the future when it comes.

I am not so sold on the Anglican break away groups. We have a continuing parish here which I think is going to join the Catholic Church, which doesn’t interest me. I am rather wary of the continuers having had a bad experience with the ones here and poor oversight. I am really not keen on the whole idea of breaking up into smaller groups either, though that may be what happens in the short term.

If my parish or some of us end up leaving, I’d like us to look at Western Orthodoxy, but we’ll see.

Good luck.

GKC

 

[Bluegoat]

Good luck.

GKC

Thank you - I’m sure we’ll need it.