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Why are Catholic bishops in America silent
With prominent elected officials who purports to be Catholic and support abortion
With prominent elected officials who purports to be Catholic and support abortion
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adamhovey1988
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Have you seen what Archbishop
Cordileone has said? Or Archbishop Chaput? In what way are these people being silent? These Bishops have definitely spoken out against abortion.
Cordileone has said? Or Archbishop Chaput? In what way are these people being silent? These Bishops have definitely spoken out against abortion.
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adgloriam
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I don’t mean to bother, but could you give me a link to that please? Preferably a youtube vid with a thorough explanation. Specifically, what a US bishop said regarding the situation of those politicians within the church.
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First, most Church pastoral ministry is confidential. We really don’t know what bishops and priests have communicated to prominent individuals. We don’t usually know who has or has not been denied Communion, who has been excommunicated, who has been restored, or what conditions have been set, if any. Just because communication has not reached our ears, does not necessarily mean there is silence.
Second, why are so few Catholic laity involved in prolife? Why are so few Catholic laity working to elect prolifers? I personally complained to the alumni association when a pro abortion politician turned up at my “Catholic” alma mater. Maybe the diocese should do more, but too often laity are silent.
Third, sometimes bishops have to speak publicly about a prominent individual, but for specific reason, based on information we do not have. I want my bishop to use his best judgement on each specific case, for some beneficial purpose. Making me feel good or satisfied is not his purpose in speaking out.
Second, why are so few Catholic laity involved in prolife? Why are so few Catholic laity working to elect prolifers? I personally complained to the alumni association when a pro abortion politician turned up at my “Catholic” alma mater. Maybe the diocese should do more, but too often laity are silent.
Third, sometimes bishops have to speak publicly about a prominent individual, but for specific reason, based on information we do not have. I want my bishop to use his best judgement on each specific case, for some beneficial purpose. Making me feel good or satisfied is not his purpose in speaking out.
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Axsenex
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Ah nothing new at all…
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ahs
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This, right here.
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Bishop Tobin is vocal
Bishop Tobin is vocal
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ahs
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A cursory google search for “Archbishop Chaput on Abortion” will be just what you want. 
I probably spend about half (or less) time online as the average American, and I have seen a great deal about these 2 Bishops. I even wrote about Archbishop Cordileone when he had the nerve to refer to sin as being sinful.
I probably spend about half (or less) time online as the average American, and I have seen a great deal about these 2 Bishops. I even wrote about Archbishop Cordileone when he had the nerve to refer to sin as being sinful.
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Yes, but does this apply to prochoice politicians? How about those voting on gay marriage? If so is it known to the public, or not!? Was there an official stance on the subject? Did the affected react or retract, any of them publicly?
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Rondet
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They speak out against abortion
But they do not challenge the so-called catholic politicians who supported
But they do not challenge the so-called catholic politicians who supported
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I’m not sure what’s “just sweet” about it; it’s just a reporting of the facts based on the news story that was released when people within his Dioceses published a letter to the Pope asking for his removal, along with personal take on the issue.
But like I said, a cursory look at google will provide you with ample hits. Why it has to be a “youtube video” doesn’t really make sense. You can make sure the research isn’t wrong by checking primary news/source material. But if “youtube vids” is all you will trust, then that’s your business.
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- Most of my bishop’s pastoral communications to individuals are confidential. I don’t have the information to evaluate him, if that were my duty, which it is not.
- Sometimes “speaking out” at a given time, in a given way, against an individual, has a good benefit. Sometimes not, depending on circumstances, most of which are totally unknown to me.
- Who would be the intended beneficiary of “speaking out” on prominent individuals? 1) Could be the soul of the politician; 2) could be the life of the unborn, and soul of the mother, if this reduces abortions; 3) could be prolife laity who would feel vindicated, satisfied, pleased by the speaking out.
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This is the crucial variable. There are known politicians criticized publicly by bishops who have not in any way publicly retracted or reconsidered their position on abortion as a result of the bishop naming names.commenter:
Did the affected react or retract, any of them publicly?
I am not aware of any cases of politicians who publicly retracted their position on abortion after being publicly criticized by bishops. (Maybe some did privately, that I don’t know).
I hesitate to criticize a bishop for failing to do something that has not succeeded when others did that.
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Crocus
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Excellent link. Thanks. I’m keeping a screenshot of the Examination of Conscience linked within it.
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Maybe the problem is the laity are selectively silent. Laity are, egged on by a new circuit of websites, far more likely to speak out against bishops, or even the pope.commenter:
This, right here.
But laity are “silent” in terms of doing the tedious, weekly work of prolife - picketing abortion clinics, writing letters to politicians or to rogue Catholic institutions, correcting misinformation put out by media, setting up prolife information tables, going door to door to get signatures for prolife politicians, doing the boring details to get prolifers elected.
That is the part where laity are silent. Much easier to criticize the bishops.
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TheLittleLady
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Are you privvy to the conversations between each Bishop and the Catholic politician(s) who are part of his Diocese?
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Actually, would be an interesting hypothetically scenario since it were bound to change an election outcome…Or explain a lot of strange things that couldn’t be explained any other way. But that is a part of politics I never took much interest in.
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Rondet
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This was my first post
I wasn’t precise enough with my language
Some Catholics maybe miss lead
If prominent “Catholic” politicians make it seem you could hold some of these positions and still be a faithful practicing Catholic ( support abortion & same-sex marriage ) without a vigorous statement to the contrary
Some of these politician do not relent
I wasn’t precise enough with my language
Some Catholics maybe miss lead
If prominent “Catholic” politicians make it seem you could hold some of these positions and still be a faithful practicing Catholic ( support abortion & same-sex marriage ) without a vigorous statement to the contrary
Some of these politician do not relent
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The Church works best when each party does their part. When each party does their own part.
The problem comes priests try to act like laymen - let’s be a regular Joe, cuss a little, dress in jeans, express your opinions on whatever political issue the media is pushing today. Nuns sometimes act like laypeople too, extremely awkwardly which does not benefit them or any one else. They do not hesitate to evaluate parenting of this or that child, for instance…
Some laity like to ease their rears into the bishop’s chair. Let’s face it, anyone can do this job. They may not have the doctorate in theology or canon law, but they’ve read up on things on the internet. They comment loudly on what the bishop should do with this or that politician, even though they have no idea what was said in Confession, what was said in counseling, or what confidential issues are in the fire at the moment, for the diocese, or for that individual politician.
Laity-pretending-to-be-bishops also see no need to differentiate between different prochoice Catholic politicians. They are all the same, no need to consider degrees of evil, or timing, or possible pending change of heart.
“If Bishop Pennsylvania said X regarding John Smith, then Bishop California must say X regarding John Jones.”
If laity did their own work, electing prolife politicians and communicating prolife through the media, their workplace, their union, their alma mater, their extended families, and in intensive prayer, we wouldn’t be faced with prochoice Catholic politicians in the first place.
The problem comes priests try to act like laymen - let’s be a regular Joe, cuss a little, dress in jeans, express your opinions on whatever political issue the media is pushing today. Nuns sometimes act like laypeople too, extremely awkwardly which does not benefit them or any one else. They do not hesitate to evaluate parenting of this or that child, for instance…
Some laity like to ease their rears into the bishop’s chair. Let’s face it, anyone can do this job. They may not have the doctorate in theology or canon law, but they’ve read up on things on the internet. They comment loudly on what the bishop should do with this or that politician, even though they have no idea what was said in Confession, what was said in counseling, or what confidential issues are in the fire at the moment, for the diocese, or for that individual politician.
Laity-pretending-to-be-bishops also see no need to differentiate between different prochoice Catholic politicians. They are all the same, no need to consider degrees of evil, or timing, or possible pending change of heart.
“If Bishop Pennsylvania said X regarding John Smith, then Bishop California must say X regarding John Jones.”
If laity did their own work, electing prolife politicians and communicating prolife through the media, their workplace, their union, their alma mater, their extended families, and in intensive prayer, we wouldn’t be faced with prochoice Catholic politicians in the first place.
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