Catholic Cardinal Meets Obama: President Says He's Not Pro-Abortion

[juliee]

Washington, DC – The president of the national conference of Catholic bishops recently elaborated further on the meeting he had in March with President Barack Obama. Cardinal George told a recent gathering of Catholic priests that Obama says he is not pro-abortion and will eventually work to reduce abortions.

See LifeNews.com/nat5001.html

 

[aggiecatholic05]

Washington, DC – The president of the national conference of Catholic bishops recently elaborated further on the meeting he had in March with President Barack Obama. Cardinal George told a recent gathering of Catholic priests that Obama says he is not pro-abortion and will eventually work to reduce abortions.

See LifeNews.com/nat5001.html

i see two problems there:

1. Obama says
2. eventually & reduce

i’d rather have some evidence not just a politicians word. and i would definately prefer now, and eliminate to eventually reduce. i’m sure the cardinal is acurately conveying what the president said, but i think the real meaning from the president is “lip service lip service lip service, i dont care about catholics”

 

[Dale_M]

See? Its all settled now. The president really is pro-life.

To clarify the headline, Cardinal George doesn’t believe Obama.

“I think on the life issue he’s on the wrong side of history,” the cardinal said, but he added that Obama wants to make pro-life advocates appear as if he is on their side.

“It’s hard to disagree with him because he’ll always tell you he agrees with you,” he said, according to CNS. “Maybe that’s political. I think he sincerely wants to agree with you. You have to say, again and again, ‘No, Mr. President, we don’t agree (on abortion).’”

The Catholic News Service indicates Cardinal George said he told Obama he is concerned with the president’s decision to overturn the Mexico City Policy and opening the door to funding groups that promote and perform abortions in other nations.

“He said we weren’t exporting abortion,” the cardinal recounted. “I said, ‘Yes we are.’ He would say, ‘I know I have to do certain things here. … But be patient and you’ll see the pattern will change.’ I said, ‘Mr. President, you’ve given us nothing but the wrong signals on this issue.’ So, we’ll see, but I’m not as hopeful now as I was when he was first elected.”

 

[wanner47]

If I understand Obama correctly, the following must apply…

I oppose the use of heroin. Therefore, I should push for the removal of all laws and restrictions concerning heroin, and I should lobby for laws that provide easy access to heroin and no legal consequences for using heroin. Also, I should encourage young people to use heroin so they’re not “punished” with a boring life.

But really, I oppose heroin use.

Ooooooookay.

 

[aggiecatholic05]

If I understand Obama correctly, the following must apply…

I oppose the use of heroin. Therefore, I should push for the removal of all laws and restrictions concerning heroin, and I should lobby for laws that provide easy access to heroin and no legal consequences for using heroin. Also, I should encourage young people to use heroin so they’re not “punished” with a boring life.

But really, I oppose heroin use.

Ooooooookay.

you left out the taxpayers having to foot the bill for the heroin and needles, not that he supports heroin use in the example…

 

[Biggie]

You say potato, I say potato. You say tomato, I say - er - tomato. Guess depending on the venue it could sound the same afterall.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I guess I’m wondering why he met with Obama at all. This reminds me just a bit of inviting Obama to do the commencement speech at Notre Dame. By meeting with Obama at all, he gave what seemed to be the deference of the Church to him.

He shouldn’t have done it.

 

[po18guy]

Actions speak louder than words.

Do not listen to what they say.
Watch what they do.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Obama, I’m sure, believes that he is not pro-abortion. But, you have to think about what he means by that. I think the President means that he’s not actively looking for pregnant women to persuade them into having abortions. But, he won’t oppose those who want to have them.

It’s serpentine semantics at its finest!

 

[mlouise007]

You say potato, I say potato. You say tomato, I say - er - tomato. Guess depending on the venue it could sound the same afterall.

I was thinking it’s like hearing very intelligent people say oranges and apples are the same fruit… and that they genuinely do seem to think it is true. Obama isn’t unique when it comes to the ability to hold an orange and say it’s the same fruit as your apple. Is it something in the water in Washington?

I feel proud to read the clarity of Cardinal George’s responses to the President. We need to pray for more people with that clarity to get the ear of the president, and of some members of congress.

 

[Biggie]

I was thinking it’s like hearing very intelligent people say oranges and apples are the same fruit… and that they genuinely do seem to think it is true. Obama isn’t unique when it comes to the ability to hold an orange and say it’s the same fruit as your apple. Is it something in the water in Washington?

I feel proud to read the clarity of Cardinal George’s responses to the President. We need to pray for more people with that clarity to get the ear of the president, and of some members of congress.

The Cardinal was direct, sure sign of integrity. I’m afraid, though, the pres is ear deep in nuance and dripping nectar.

I pray that those of conscience are not mislead, or soon we all be saying “it’s sweet, it’s fruit so who cares what it is. It’s all good.”

 

[Catholic4Obama]

rolls eyes

Maybe if people used better birth control, or maybe if we placed the responsibility of abortions on the women having them instead of the government.

Stop blaming the government because we have irresponsible women.

 

[JimG]

I understand perfectly. His support for FOCA is acutally pro-life. His overturning of pro-life regulations in favor of pro-abortion regulations during his first days in office is actually pro-life. His support for abortion throughout nine months of pregnancy as legalized in Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton is really pro-life. His appointments of pro-abortion Catholics shows that he is really pro-life.

Didn’t George Orwell have a word for this?

 

[aggiecatholic05]

rolls eyes

Maybe if people used better birth control, or maybe if we placed the responsibility of abortions on the women having them instead of the government.

Stop blaming the government because we have irresponsible women.

better birth control, like natural family planning? it is far superior to any artifical method. or where you advocating for things like hormone pills and condoms, only better versions?

so by your abortion logic should we stop having laws against drunk driving, its not the governments responsibility. lets just go after the irresponsible people involved- it doesnt work as a society we need laws to protect the innocent from the deranged. and there is none more innocent than the unborn, and non more deranged than the abortionists.

 

[elts1956]

rolls eyes

Maybe if people used better birth control, or maybe if we placed the responsibility of abortions on the women having them instead of the government. Should we have these women jailed, or executed?

Stop blaming the government because we have irresponsible women.

Throughout human history humankind has had to be controlled by law. Thus the Code of Hamarabi, the Ten Commandments on which the laws of the United States are based. Our country was founded on Christian principles, whether or not, our Founding Fathers were especially religious, or not. God said of the Ten Commandments that he would give us laws that would be written on the human soul and heart. One of them was that we should have no other Gods but Him. Humanity has drifted further and further away from this commandment through materialism, secularism and relativism. Neither do most citizens of this country believe any longer in Absolutes, nor Intrinsic evils.

Those who are in politics, including the present administration are a part of this turning away from truth. bo is showing his ilk in overturning any law he can that protects human life, for now at the beginning, through abortion. Unless we fight it tooth and nail, soon laws protecting individual conscience will be overturned, the same with euthanasia and assisted suicide. The lack of law in this land is making us a land of darkness and death where once we were a bright and shining example to the rest of the world.

Now tell me, do you really believe all people are capable of governing themselves when it comes to laws governing life and death? Stealing? Homosexual marriage?

Do you not believe that laws regarding abortion should be made to protect the unborn who cannot protect themselves? Those whose mother’s may see abortion as the only answer to their difficulties, that they do not realize most of their circumstances can be helped if only they know where to turn? Planned parenthood gives no counciling, only what they term “Medical solutions”. Hippocrates stated “first do no harm”. That is not PP’s mantra.

Just as young children cannot be trusted to make appropriate decisions unless taught what those appropriate decisions are, neither can most of our child like citizens make rational decisions, especially those dealing with the issues of others.

 

[aggiecatholic05]

Throughout human history humankind has had to be controlled by law. Thus the Code of Hamarabi, the Ten Commandments on which the laws of the United States are based. Our country was founded on Christian principles, whether or not, our Founding Fathers were especially religious, or not. God said of the Ten Commandments that he would give us laws that would be written on the human soul and heart. One of them was that we should have no other Gods but Him. Humanity has drifted further and further away from this commandment through materialism, secularism and relativism. Neither do most citizens of this country believe any longer in Absolutes, nor Intrinsic evils.

Those who are in politics, including the present administration are a part of this turning away from truth. bo is showing his ilk in overturning any law he can that protects human life, for now at the beginning, through abortion. Unless we fight it tooth and nail, soon laws protecting individual conscience will be overturned, the same with euthanasia and assisted suicide. The lack of law in this land is making us a land of darkness and death where once we were a bright and shining example to the rest of the world.

Now tell me, do you really believe all people are capable of governing themselves when it comes to laws governing life and death? Stealing? Homosexual marriage?

Do you not believe that laws regarding abortion should be made to protect the unborn who cannot protect themselves. Those whose mother’s may see abortion as the only answer to their difficulties, that they do not realize most of their circumstances can be helped if only they know where to turn? Planned parenthood gives no counciling, only what they term “Medical solutions”. Hippocrates stated “first do no harm”. That is not PP’s mantra.

Just as young children cannot be trusted to make appropriate decisions unless taught what those appropriate decisions are, neither can most of our child like citizens make rational decisions, especially those dealing with the issues of others.

brilliant reply. i especially like the reference to hippocrates. i have always wondered how intentionally killing a baby doesnt violate the oath and get abortionist’s medical liscenses yanked away. i mean its intentionally doing harm.

 

[JimG]

brilliant reply. i especially like the reference to hippocrates. i have always wondered how intentionally killing a baby doesnt violate the oath and get abortionist’s medical liscenses yanked away. i mean its intentionally doing harm.

The oath of Hippocrates, besides affirming the physician should do no harm, also specifically affirmed that he would not induce an abortion.

But, physicians no longer take the Hippocratic Oath. We’ve come a long way since Hippocrates. Now, babies can be killed at will, as can the old and infirm.

Most physicians, though, want no part in abortion. The pro-abortion lobby often complains about the lack of sufficient abortionists and abortion clinics. But it does provide a lucrative career for those few who are willing to kill for money.

 

[RobbyS]

See? Its all settled now. The president really is pro-life.

To clarify the headline, Cardinal George doesn’t believe Obama.

Thisis the way that Obama deals with every issue. He takes a position and thenm uses rhetoric that suggeststhe opposite. Evey speech is full of nonsequiturs. No one who makes under $250,000 a year will pay more taxes. But the countryis full of small businessmen who personally earn under $250,000, but because of the way the tax laws are written their businesses earn more and will suffer. Most of these people are not writing off a new Mercedes as a business expense: they are using the freed up money to build their businesses, increasing inventory and hiring new people. Obama hasn’t a clue and probably doesn’t care about the small businessman. That showed up clearly in his confrontation with “Joe the plumber.” The businessmen he knows personally are very rich men who will not be hurt, and the black community has relatively few small businessmen Obama is a pure ideologue, and a man fundamentally ignorant of the way that our economy operates. As for his religious background, men like Wright operate on pure emotion, so Obama tries to deal with the Cardinal as if he were the same. But the Cardinal sees through his sophistry.

 

[diggerdomer]

Washington, DC – The president of the national conference of Catholic bishops recently elaborated further on the meeting he had in March with President Barack Obama. Cardinal George told a recent gathering of Catholic priests that Obama says he is not pro-abortion and will eventually work to reduce abortions.

See LifeNews.com/nat5001.html

No kidding. I’ve never heard Obama say he’s “pro-abortion.”

Pro-choice, yes (unfortunately) but not pro-abortion.

 

[aggiecatholic05]

No kidding. I’ve never heard Obama say he’s “pro-abortion.”

Pro-choice, yes (unfortunately) but not pro-abortion.

im sorry but that really doesnt mean anything. just because he hasnt actually said it doesnt mean it isnt true. besides actions speak louder than words, and i think the heroin analogy from the first page does a good job of showing the difference. there are sadly some people that are just pro-choice, but this man seems to be all out pro-abortion-my evidence is his words and actions as a politician.