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Thank you!
Catholic Cardinal Robert Sarah Calls Abortion the “Greatest Tragedy of Our Time”
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Please notice the Bolded part of your post.
I pointed out that you are wrong to assume the Pope does not care about abortion.
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Go write a letter to the pope and tell him it’s a no brainer, common sense issue. He’s the one who puts other issues before it. Even his Easter message this year was about refugees and the Vatican had no problem inviting a population control advocate to speak at the Vatican, or collaborating with pro-abortion organizations to hold a climate change light show on the facade of St. Peter’s Basilica.
What happened to the Pontifical Academy for Life? It’s gone.
catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=30885
The only member left is the newly promoted Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia.
You can read more about him here
: lifesitenews.com/news/leading-vatican-archbishop-featured-in-homoerotic-painting-he-commissionedWhere’s all this talk of abortion? The pope speaks in front of the U.N. as well as before U.S. politicians, but says not a word about abortion. Only climate change, immigration and poverty. Don’t tell me he’s being sensitive to them; they know full well the Catholic Church’s position on the issue and it wouldn’t be a surprise to hear it from the head of the Catholic Church. Instead, he’s lecturing them on climate change and immigration. If it was such an urgent crisis, you would think he would’ve mentioned it even briefly, eh? Instead, this is what he says:
“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.
The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently."
You can go on all you want, but I’m not the one who said, "Let us not forget that today’s problem of refugees and migrants is the greatest tragedy after that of the Second World War.”
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I’m asking “you” what do you think is the greatest tragedy and if not abortion the how do yoyu go about determining for yourself what the Greatest tragedy in the world means?
I say it is determined by the loss of innocent life directly taken by the hands of another human being.
This tragedy is greatest because of the loss of life and the spiritual chaos it creates in the perpetrators soul. This Chaos may lead directly to the spiritual death of this person at the end of his life which is the greatest tragedy of all.
There is not a soul alive on earth today that God does not love equally as much as any other.
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And on and on you go… from Rigid Catholic to orphan all by your own hand. You sound like my niece when she does get her own way.Go write a letter to the pope and tell him it’s a no brainer, common sense issue. He’s the one who puts other issues before it. Even his Easter message this year was about refugees and the Vatican had no problem inviting a population control advocate to speak at the Vatican, or collaborating with pro-abortion organizations to hold a climate change light show on the facade of St. Peter’s Basilica.
What happened to the Pontifical Academy for Life? It’s gone.
catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=30885
The only member left is the newly promoted Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia.
You can read more about him here
Where’s all this talk of abortion? The pope speaks in front of the U.N. as well as before U.S. politicians, but says not a word about abortion. Only climate change, immigration and poverty. If it was such an urgent crisis, you would think he would’ve mentioned it even briefly, eh? Instead, this is what he says:
“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.
The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently."
You can go on all you want, but I’m not the one who said, "Let us not forget that today’s problem of refugees and migrants is the greatest tragedy after that of the Second World War.”
Peace to you… may you find what you are searching for.
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[SIGN]Bye![/SIGN]And on and on you go… from Rigid Catholic to orphan all by your own hand. You sound like my niece when she does get her own way.
Peace to you… may you find what you are searching for.
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ProVobis
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For what it’s worth.
Meminerimus autem etiam adversus infimos iustitiam esse servandam - Cicero
(Let us remember that justice must be observed even to the lowest.)
Meminerimus autem etiam adversus infimos iustitiam esse servandam - Cicero
(Let us remember that justice must be observed even to the lowest.)
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Prodigal, The greatest tragedy in relation to migration and refugee crisis.,massive movement of people That is what the Pope is saying. … That there hadn t been such a massive movement of people in dire circumstances since WWII.
Tragedy in relation to refugee crisis. The post war and this one now.
Can you read it in context now like this?
Say somebody is speaking about tragedies during " tornados" and not comparing " tornados" against " say " tsunamis".
Does it make sense now,Prodigal?
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ProdigalSun
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Your preaching to the Choir sister, explain that to JP. He seems to think the Pope think its a bigger tragedy than abortion. Good luck though JP seems to have a hook in his craw that hardens his heart and blinds him to truth.
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graciew
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In a way,I am, and you are right,brother.
Thank you!
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SuperLuigi
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Even more than hurt feelings, sending “the children” to college at any cost and “climate change”?
Refreshing.
Refreshing.
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What are you talking about?
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Pope Francis to a Pro-life group in Croatia…
“You are doing the best possible work!” Pope Francis told the group. “Save as many lives as possible! I encourage you and bless you with every blessing. There is no more important work from this one, be persistent and pray, pray, pray!”
“You are doing the best possible work!” Pope Francis told the group. “Save as many lives as possible! I encourage you and bless you with every blessing. There is no more important work from this one, be persistent and pray, pray, pray!”
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HOLY SMOKES! Do you see that quote JP. The popoe said it right there! "There is no more important work! I quess Crdl Sarah was correct after all!
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"The most serious of the evils that afflict the world these days are youth unemployment and the loneliness of the old. The old need care and companionship; the young need work and hope but have neither one nor the other, and the problem is they don’t even look for them any more. They have been crushed by the present. You tell me: can you live crashed under the weight of the present? Without a memory of the past and without the desire to look ahead to the future by building something, a future, a family? Can you go on like this? This, to me, is the most urgent problem that the Church is facing.”HOLY SMOKES! Do you see that quote JP. The popoe said it right there! "There is no more important work! I quess Crdl Sarah was correct after all!
Pope Francis
repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118
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For those bewildered by Pope Francis, those who knew Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio prior to his election to the pontificate can shed some light on the situation. Priests from Buenos Aires who worked with Cardinal Bergoglio in different capacities suggest that people from opposite camps would both come out of meetings with the then-Cardinal believing he supported their position. “He’s with us but can’t say so publicly,” they would relate, as would those who met with him from the opposing camp.
According to one priest who knows the Pope but wishes to remain anonymous, Francis is very much a Peronist — named for former Argentina President Juan Domingo Perón. Like Perón, Pope Francis plays with both left wing and right wing factions.
The priest tells a story about President Peron that helps to understand Francis. Once Peron was in his car and at a fork in the road his driver asked him which way he would like to go. Peron replied: “Put the flicker on for a right turn, but go left.”
lifesitenews.com/blogs/pope-francis-praises-pro-life-cause-there-is-no-more-important-work
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It’s as though there’s been absolutely no progression of discussion in this thread.
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Because “Abortion” is an unattractive word we try to ignore. Because “Abortion” really means the vicious slaughter of a preborn woman growing inside of her own mother’s womb. Because “Abortion” is just a “right,” and should never be talked about, especially by the Pope. Because in “Abortion”, the lives lost seem to mean absolutely nothing to most of this nation. They are a nothing, a throwaway piece of garbage, an unwanted discard, they are not even considered a human being, much less a preborn woman. “Abortion” can happen to any girl child in the womb, throughout all nine months, but because it is so hideous, we turn away from it and deny it and disguise it as something “personal.” These preborn girls are seen merely as an “embryo,” a “zygote,” anything except what they really are. Because we now live in a cold, callous world turned on by all things death, dark, and deadly. Because being politically corrupt is seen as “correct.” Because we now live in a world terrified of “offending” anyone and everything except their Creator. Because the tiny victims of “Abortion” are so small they disappear and are swept under the rug, rejected every time there is a chance to be a voice for those who have no voice and we have chosen to be silent. I stand entirely with Mother Teresa on this. Abortion IS the greatest tragedy, and yes, I will unashamedly say it, if everyone else is too “politically correct”, too “fair”, to admit it. Abortion is the worst horror ever inflicted upon a preborn girl child. From most of the responses to this thread, I honestly cannot believe the indifference or flat out not caring. Try and sugarcoat it all you want. Stand before Jesus and dare to defend or minimize the evil of this wickedness. “What you did to the least of My people, you did it to Me.” Mother Teresa cared about all children, and she was a perfect example of a true Christian and a true advocate for the poor and immigrants. She turned NO child away, rejected NO child, preborn or not. The smallest, to her, were probably the most important. Unbelievable how insensitive we are, and so used to sin that we can’t be happy without it. Unbelieveable.
All evil is evil in the eyes of God. He doesn’t “rate” it.
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This is what happens when the allmighty “Abortion” is trivialized and lumped into the same category as “other” issues. No. Actually, it is an atrocity all unto itself. It’s a wickedness that is unlike any other.
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How Pope Francis shakes up what it means to be 'pro-life’
In a historic address to Congress last fall, Pope Francis challenged leaders to “defend human life at every stage of its development.” A pope who has faced criticism for not being vocal enough in denouncing abortion seemed poised for a rousing applause line from disgruntled conservatives who have chafed at his focus on climate change and inequality. Instead, Pope Francis widened the lens beyond the usual categories.
“Every life is sacred,” he said in calling for the abolition of the death penalty. “Every human person is endowed with an inalienable dignity, and society can only benefit from the rehabilitation of those convicted of crimes.”
A few hours later, the pope spoke to hundreds of US Catholic bishops and specifically linked “the innocent victim of abortion” to other grave threats to life - including “children who die of hunger or from bombings,” “immigrants who drown in the search for a better tomorrow,” and “the environment devastated by man’s predatory relationship with nature.”
In ways that give pundits and politicians on the right heartburn, the pope also frames economic inequality as a life issue.
“Just as the commandment ‘Thou shalt not kill’ sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say ‘thou shalt not’ to an economy of exclusion and inequality,” the pope wrote in blunt language in a major 2013 document. “Such an economy kills.”
Gun violence, the pope also insists, is a clear threat to human life driven by “money that is drenched in blood, often innocent blood.”
Pope Francis is reviving Catholic teaching on the need for a consistent ethic of life.
This moral framework was most robustly articulated by the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin of Chicago. “Those who defend the right to life of the weakest among us must be equally visible in support of the quality of life of the powerless among us: the old and the young, the hungry and the homeless, the undocumented immigrant and the unemployed worker,” the archbishop, then chairman of the U.S. bishops’ pro-life committee, said in a major speech at Fordham University in 1983 widely covered by national media.
While the Catholic Church remains rock solid in its opposition to abortion, Pope Francis clearly wants to recalibrate the Church’s voice in the public square.
“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage, and the use of contraceptive methods,” the pope said in a blockbuster 2013 interview. “We have to find a new balance.”
To be clear, the pope considers abortion a grave evil and has said it’s not “progressive” to end a human life. Liberals cheering on the pope for his bold words on inequality and climate change should not tune him out when it’s inconvenient.
Even so, the pope’s desire to resuscitate the Church’s consistent life ethic could have political implications and is emboldening US Catholic leaders.
Archbishop Blase Cupich of Chicago, in a recent interview, called gun violence “a pro-life issue” that “should be front and center with all the others.”
Dallas Bishop Kevin Farrell recently decried a “cowboy mentality” that leads to open-carry laws such as the one recently passed in Texas. “Thank God that someone finally has the courage to close the loopholes in our pitiful gun control laws to reduce the number of mass shootings, suicides and killings that have become a plague in our country,” he wrote in praise of President Obama’s recent executive actions.
Cardinal Sean O’Malley of Boston, one of the pope’s top advisers, has called immigration “another pro-life issue.” In a homily before the 2015 March for Life, the cardinal emphasized that addressing poverty is “part of the Gospel of Life.”
Other prominent Catholics are also speaking out in ways that demonstrate a renewed commitment to affirming life beyond a single issue.
“We recognize the image of God in the migrant at the border, the prisoner on death row, in the pregnant woman and in the hungry child,” 100 Catholic leaders wrote in a statement last year in an effort to highlight immigration reform as a pro-life priority. Signatories included more than two dozen Catholic university presidents, a former spokeswoman for the U.S. bishops’ pro-life office, and the president of Catholic Charities USA…
cruxnow.com/church/2016/02/08/how-pope-francis-shakes-up-what-it-means-to-be-pro-life
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