You need to read the L&S forum to see how many times this is forced.
Not that it matters, but I don’t think you want to play the numbers game with me because I would win.
You ignore most of my comment and questions. You don’t discuss any of the reasons I give. As for me being on the fringe, yes, I am ON THE CONSERVATIVE FRINGE. If you think I am on the fringe you don’t know where the center is.
well he is the one that stated that hand holding was illicit
Than she rightfully so can not be called a Consecrated Virgin till she takes her vowsI should clarify that she will take her vows this year so she’s not on the list.
Believe it or not, I heard you the first ten times you said this. And like I said before, with all due respect to the cardinal, I am still waiting for reasons to believe that this is worthy of our attention. I am still wondering how does this relate to our primary task of loving God and neighbor?well he is the one that stated that hand holding was illicit
My apologies for the misunderstanding. But wow, you really have a knack for focusing on extraneous details while missing the point.Than she rightfully so can not be called a Consecrated Virgin till she takes her vows
So Kendy which is it…you gave two different answers to the same question… “Even Cardinal Arinze?”The few times I have seen the cardinal on T.V. I liked him, and thought he was right on. Of course, the fact that we put the word cardinal before his name does not mean he could not be a scoundrel. This is not relevant because whether he is holy or not, he still has authority, which should be taken seriously. And I realize that I have been less than respectful to the cardinal’s office, and I regret that. Despite previous accusation, I am actually not fond of dismissing vatican rules. No one accused you of anything…your OWN words did that…The rule is silly, the rule is stupid , etc.
However, if you have ever worked for a large corporation, you know that feeling when a rule comes down from the corporate office that makes you feel like those people in the board room are a little disconnected with on what’s going on on the ground. And their rule, which they just think is great is not jiving well with your local employees and customers. So, if you happen to be the manager of the branch, you kinda fudge to get what you need to get done done.
And I think the same thing is happening here. The cardinal has great rules, which he thinks will somehow help us grow in holiness, but many parish priests,** particular those in black neighborhoods here in Chicago, believe for one reason or another this will not cut it at their parish**.
So this is a racial thing now???
In parishes where it’s important for them to experience that communal aspects of worship, for whatever reason, you will see this type of behavior. I have seen the priest come down, and everybody get out of their pews and walk around to greet each other. And to be honest, I find it a little disrptive, but I also know how difficult it is to keep an active black parish in South Chicago. There are parishes closing up all over the place here, and if this helps people connect to the parish, then, I think the pastor is right to do what’s right for his parish by allowing them to hold hands.
Why do you keep bringing up “Black Parishes”? we are all called to follow the same thing believe the same things…regardless of our skin color! And our skin color does not give us the right or excuse to not follow the rules!
Of course, you may not care and suggest that they should just leave and become protestant, but I think it’s ashame that you are so indifferent to whether or not people remain in the church. I want these people to stay close to Christ in the eucharist, and I don’t think the cardinal, in his corporate office far away from South Chicago, fully appreciates the impact that his rules have on the ground. You can’t walk into a local baptist church here without a complete stranger hugging you; it’s a touchy feely culture, and I once took someone to a catholic church that I liked, and his first response to me was that everyone seemed really cold.
Please dont compare Catholics to Baptists…they ahve their form of worship and it is like comparing apples to oranges, IMHO!
And so, I realized if I was going to get him at all interested, it was going to be in a South Chicago touchy-feely parish.
This is not to say that we need to just let people do whatever. We cannot let people sin so that they might stay in the catholic church, but this is not a sin. It’s a very very small concession for the sake of the people for whom the church exists.
Kendy
[sign]AMEN, Sister![/sign]
Let me ask you this…how does holding hands relate to our primay task of living God and neighbor?Believe it or not, I heard you the first ten times you said this. **And like I said before, with all due respect to the cardinal, I am still waiting for reasons to believe that this is worthy of our attention. I am still wondering how does this relate to our primary task of loving God and neighbor? **
People do it because they it allows them to express their communal worship of God. It is symbolic. It seems to me if one is going to forbid this practice, he should show that it violates this primary purpose.
Man…so many opinions and the only one that matters (the CHurchs) you simply refuse to listen too…why is that?
I bring up black parishes because whenever I have been to one, there’s hand holding. I bring up baptists because most blacks are baptists, and that influences the culture. In the South Side of Chicago, that’s who you are going to lose catholics to.
Because the church exists for the people, and to the extent that the church is being a nag rather than a source of holiness, I am concerned. Everyone seems irritated by this rather than uplifted, and more importantly, this is not a question of faith and morals. So, I think I echoe the majority of catholics when I say, “WHO CARES! GET A LIFE!”Man…so many opinions and the only one that matters (the CHurchs) you simply refuse to listen too…why is that?
“the Sacramental sign of intimacy with Christ and our neighbor, Holy Communion.”
well if most black folks are baptist why are they in a Catholic Church ? Should they not be in their Baptist Church?
Then may I humbly state to you …"[sign]The Cafeteria is **CLOSED!!!
**[/sign]Well, if you are correct, this is the reason why Our Holy Father wants a leaner, more devout church.Not that it matters, but I don’t think you want to play the numbers game with me because I would win.
Yes, but holding hands take nothing away nothing from the eucharist.“the Sacramental sign of intimacy with Christ and our neighbor, Holy Communion.”
Please note that states Holy Cimmunion not hand holding
Well, obviously the ones in catholic churches are not baptists. This is not complicated. The baptsis church influences the culture.