Catholic Charismatic Renewal

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Second, who says I am not seeking ordination?
If you are saying that you are seeking ordination, then I’m glad to hear it. We need more priests and I am sure you would be a good one. The Church ministers to all kinds of people and needs all kinds of priests…even priests who don’t accept the Renewal.

Anyway, I have enjoyed this debate with you and the others, to the extent that I have been able to participate. I don’t take the polemic personally, and I suspect you don’t either.

I am leaving this thread now, only because I’ve been assigned to work on a big project with one of the “bail out” banks, and I am not going to have much free time in the foreseeable future. I’ll be praying for you and all. God bless you.
 
On the other hand, just suppose the Charismatic Renewal really was the work of the Holy Spirit. Isn’t that what you would expect, that it would quickly spread across the whole world, just like in the first couple centuries of the Church’s existence?
God is still in control, using your logic, one would expect the spread to continue at a breakneck pace throughout history.
That is linear thinking, and shows that without a good model of social behavior it is not possible to accurately predict the ebb and flow of social movements.
So what kind of logic is it to believe that the charismatic movement is not backed by the Holy Spirit becuse it has not spread as quickly as one would expect?
 
If you are saying that you are seeking ordination, then I’m glad to hear it. We need more priests and I am sure you would be a good one. The Church ministers to all kinds of people and needs all kinds of priests…even priests who don’t accept the Renewal.
Thank you.
Anyway, I have enjoyed this debate with you and the others, to the extent that I have been able to participate. I don’t take the polemic personally, and I suspect you don’t either.
As have I and, of course, no offense taken whatsoever.
I am leaving this thread now, only because I’ve been assigned to work on a big project with one of the “bail out” banks, and I am not going to have much free time in the foreseeable future. I’ll be praying for you and all. God bless you.
Take care and thank you. You are in my prayers also.
 
Remember…Pope John Paul II spoke very favorably about the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, as does also Fr. Gabriel Amorth, the chief exorcist of Rome.
Old thread but couldn’t resist … JPII also spoke favorably about Father Marcial, founder of the LC and notorious con-artist.
 
Fo me been mostly all my life a lukewarm catholic, without any interest to change my spirituality I felt the emptyness:blush:… this charismatic movement inside the church worked for me,my testimony will be very long about it and still I am amazed of the awesome God we have day by day His love and mercy in infinite, He me come back even when almost my whole family became protestants , I Love our catholic church,… now I read apologetic books, and most important the bible that many or us do not do… :knight2:Our church need to work more defending our faith, all catholics that leave the church are mostly for ignorance not knowing the richness of the faith:bible1:, I enjoy then mass with songs that praise our Lord,could be in part said in latin or with chanting and still l love it because I can feel His presence in my life:signofcross:, Our beloved church is Universal also for that, some people love the silence prayer in their relation with God, others with joyful music !!.:gopray2: The most important thing is that we all want to serve the Lord. we all are parts of his body different but all together become His church, remember he want us to be one!! He make me new, he rescue me!! and was through the charismatic movement., He could use other way but choose to be this one!!. Holy is his name!!! and thanks to his mercy because I do not deserve it… I came back Home. God Bless you all !!! :amen:
 
Our beloved church is Universal also for that, some people love the silence prayer in their relation with God, others with joyful music !!.:gopray2: The most important thing is that we all want to serve the Lord. we all are parts of his body different but all together become His church, remember he want us to be one!!
👍 I think you hit the nail on the head!

Although I am not “active” in the renewal now, it changed my relationship with our Lord and I cannot say enough about the good the Holy Spirit has worked through this movement. Now, I am one who prefers the silent prayer, as phes3 says, but I cannot dismiss the good the Holy Spirit has done for me through the renewal.

Do I think the charismatic renewal is for everyone? No. Do I think Ignatian exercises are for everyone? No. Do I think Opus Dei is for everyone? No. Do I think the Knights of Columbus is for everyone (women have an auxiliary)? No. Our Lord works with each of us through His Church – including the renewal – in the way He knows best.

God bless,
Dan
 
don’t rely on feelings, feelings are mushy and fickle don’t try to change yourself cause soon you’ll need someone to help you change your soiled diaper. what we need to do is surrender to God’s perfect will for our lives, repent and trust in Jesus Christ for your salvation then as it says in Philippians 1:6 And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns. the only movement needed my friends is complete surrender. God bless
 
Thanks Dan for your words!! As I said before … God works misterious ways in our lives… i never tought in all the years separated from our Lord,that I will receiving the sacrament of Confirmation, (almost 3 years ago) but the Lord have others plans for me!!! I have 2 beautiful God’s gifts… a young man 20 years old and a 9 years old daughter, both of them are altar servers, my son receive a recognition from our church pastor for 4 years service at the 7.30 am sunday mass: I always tell him that is a privilege to do that… a blessing!!! :highprayer:and my daughter receive the sacrament of 1st comunion last year…and make me cry of joy when she ask me:… mom "I want to serve the Lord, now that I can ":kiss4you:…the very next sunday after receving the Body of Christ for the 1st time she serve with his brother at the mass!!! she is been doing that since then, tell me my fellow catholic friends… How I can not PRAISE OUR LORD !! for that?.:extrahappy: and they studied in a public school!!!Oh I forgot … my son is not a charismatic… he likes more the regular mass even loves to sign the Agnus Dei… I am sure he have a very good relationship with our Lord. Our Church is for all or us …the UNIVERSAL church. He will call us where he need us most!! We should build bridges not walls.
God :blessyou: All !!!
 
i had an experience w/ Charismatics once… and it was powerful and they were very caring people…

is there an international Charismatic organization a person can get involved with ?

I would never want to replace the regular Mass with… well, i dontt know much about most charismatics… but dont they change the mass a little???
 
We made it l more joyful…:clapping: but as I said I feel Jesus presence with a regular mass… some other masses are parts recited in latin , I love to sing the Agnus Dei, repeat the Kyrie Eleyson, etc,In the whole mass we are praising our Lord!! :bowdown2:I realize that when I begin educated myself with our beloved and rich in tradition faith!!!:blessyou:
 
i had an experience w/ Charismatics once… and it was powerful and they were very caring people…

is there an international Charismatic organization a person can get involved with?
Try going to your diocesan website and type “charismatic” into the search box or call the diocesan office. I think most dioceses have a liaison to the charmatic renewal and they could direct you to a couple charismatic prayer groups to “try out.”

God bless,
Dan
 
FYI . . .

I was pleasantly surprised the last few days to view EWTN’s “Tell the World.” Unknown to me previously, though I knew of him through several articles in Zenit.Org, was Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa’s very real enthusiasm for the Charismatic Renewal. Several of the talks on EWTN addressed his personal experience of the “baptism in the Spirit” which he attributes to his profound dedication in his priesthood. What a delightful, joyful speaker he is, and his Italian accent is not at all a hindrance to understanding his exuberance. I tried to replay some of the series, but I could not find anything in the network’s archives.

For those who may not know him, he is “The Preacher of the Papal Household .” A blessing to listen to him, for sure.
 
Try going to your diocesan website and type “charismatic” into the search box or call the diocesan office. I think most dioceses have a liaison to the charmatic renewal and they could direct you to a couple charismatic prayer groups to “try out.”

God bless,
Dan
thanks… Why didn’t i think of that?? :doh2:
 
I pray to the Lord :gopray2:for all of you my dear brothers in our faith to have the experience with the power of the Holy Spirit!!! you will never be the same…
God :blessyou:. all!!!
 
Being myself involved within the Charismatic Renewal, I can certainly understand why some catholics view the Renewal as protestantism. Or others may view it as too huggy huggy kissy kissy. And I can honestly say that it is because of the bad testimony that we charismatics give. I know of people in my parish alone, that may be bordering on protestantism, not because they are teaching heresy or anything of the sort, but because of the way they are. There are lots of people, and I know that this isn’t specific to the Renewal itself, that have a problem with authority, especially ecclesial authority. There are people that would rather do what they want to do and not give a hoot about being submissive to the Church. In my area that I live in, we have a Vicariate for the Charismatic Renewal, and there are 6 parishes in our diocese that are involved in it. It seems that the same problems are present everywhere. People do not want to be submissive to the Magisterium, and this is something that totaly goes against Christ himself.

One example I can think of right now, is that there is one prayer group in our parish for those who are serving in church, this prayer group is under the wing of the parish vicar. Whoever are involved in the prayer group are able to serve in the prayer groups Healing Mass on Wednesday’s. But come, Wednesday’s there are people who want to serve during the Mass that are not even going to the prayer group. They basically fell away from the group because they didn’t like that the prayer group coordinator is being submissive to the Magisterium, and what ever the priest gives an o.k. on the p.g. does.

Another problem, is that in our town, there are several other p.g’s. in some neighborhoods, that are not under a priests wing. These other prayer groups are formed by those who use to go the the parishes p.g. but are still Catholic. The problem with this is not that they are praying, but the fact that these groups are not under anyone’s (meaning priests) authority.

As far as the emotionalism aspect that exists, I know that this is a problem as well. I’m not talking about being emotional when God touches someone deeply that they cry. I’m talking about us letting our emotions taking control of us. We have controlof our emotions, and in this area we have to be very careful because of the type of movement we are involved in. If we believe that God is with us, just because we feel good, then where is He when we feel bad. This is the type of danger that many fall in. We must know and acknowledge that God is always with us, in good and bad times.

Another aspect, is the ignorance that exists within the movement as well. There are many, many, many charismatic catholics out there that are just ignorant of their faith. This is both very disappointing and sad. I remember a lady from the p.g said that her sister was a Jehova’s Witness and they come and talk to her and quote her bible verses left and right, and she can not even respond to any because, “we” (Catholics in general) don’t know anything. I couldn’t even believe what I was hearing when she said that. I was beside myself, I said, we are the original Christians, how can you say that?!?! We have a 2000 year history that no other Christian religion has.

Now I know that there are more problems, but I think every movement within the Church is going to have problems. No movement is and will be perfect, since the Body of Christ is composed of sinners like us. As you may be reading this, you may have asked yourself what measures are being implemented to counter these problems. I can only speak of the area that I live in, I do not know what other dioceses are doing, but what I can say is that there are guidelines that are being implemented for each p.g. in each parish. Guidelines that the diocese has come up with that we all need to adhere to. As far as the ignorance goes, we are making formation a priority because we see the problems that ignorance has caused. The type of formation that is being offered covers the Church, the gifts of the Holy Spirit and how they are suppose to be used, and soon apologetics with Early Church Fathers. You may think of me of a hybrid charismatic because I am not ignorant of my faith. One of my favorite things to say to people in the renewal is that our spirituality can not be at a higher level than our intellectual knowledge of the Church or vice versa, they have to be at the same level. And this is something that I strive in doing.
 
If it brings people closer to Our Lord Jesus Christ, the I’m all for it.
 
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