Catholic Charities beliefs clash with contraceptive needs

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The same thing happened in California and Catholic Charities Sacramento lost in court. The US Supreme Court refused to hear the case. This is troubling.
 
They can rule what they like, but they cannot control our consciences. We must stand up for what’s right and simply refuse to comply.

If we fail to stand up, how long will it be before some court orders Catholic hospitals to perform abortions? Or orders Catholic priests to officiate at “gay” marriages? Or orders seminaries to train and ordain women?
 
Good men and woman must be heard! Apathy cannot continue. Catholics - why the silence?

As Fr Frank says - silence helps the oppressor never the victim.
 
vern_humphrey said:
If we fail to stand up, how long will it be before some court orders Catholic hospitals to perform abortions? ?
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If I’m not wrong, that was looked at during the Clinton years and those incharge of the Catholic Hospitals said that if Congress required such a thing, they would close all the Catholic Hospitals in the country. Congress changed their minds on this one. I think if Catholic Charities keeps stepping up and not giving in, Congress will realize the big mistakes they are making by not allowing agencies to run according to their beliefs.
 
gmarie21 said:
If I’m not wrong, that was looked at during the Clinton years and those incharge of the Catholic Hospitals said that if Congress required such a thing, they would close all the Catholic Hospitals in the country. Congress changed their minds on this one. I think if Catholic Charities keeps stepping up and not giving in, Congress will realize the big mistakes they are making by not allowing agencies to run according to their beliefs.
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If we give in here, we ultimately give in everywhere. If we stand fast here, we stand fast everywhere.

Pray that Catholic charities has the courage to do the right thing.
 
vern_humphrey said:
They can rule what they like, but they cannot control our consciences. We must stand up for what’s right and simply refuse to comply.

If we fail to stand up, how long will it be before some court orders Catholic hospitals to perform abortions? Or orders Catholic priests to officiate at “gay” marriages? Or orders seminaries to train and ordain women?
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It will come very soon! If we let the atheists, secularists and nonbelievers take over the nation. The Church has been the only institution that has always contradicted and has never obeyed the world.
 
My dad had an interesting point about what the bishops could do, if they were serious. The bishop of New York could get the state to back down from anything. See, he’s in charge of the catholic schools there, which hold something like a million kids.
If the government presses him or the Church, all he’d have to do, if he had the chutzpah, is say, “I’m shutting down the catholic schools, effective tomorrow. Have fun fitting in those kids, with less than 24 hours notice.” Then he just laughs evilly (how else do you laugh in that situation?), and swaggers off.

Maybe we need more supervillains for bishops.
 
Scary stuff for sure. We Catholics must be willing to lose our lives if necessary for the kingdom of God. What and who we live and die for is the true test of what we really believe. Let us go down shouting “Long Live the True King! Jesus!” on our lips. The truths of the Faith are countercultural. When will we stop trying to be relevant and return to just being true nomatter who says what or what we stand to lose? We should try to be at peace with all men yes, but not at the cost of the truth of the Faith. If we lose our lives, we are promised to find them…Truth cuts like a sword, let us not dull the blade by shrinking from backing it up with our very own lives if necessary. The times will come down to this…are we up to it?

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bones_IV said:
It will come very soon! If we let the atheists, secularists and nonbelievers take over the nation. The Church has been the only institution that has always contradicted and has never obeyed the world.
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Unfortunately, the more I read these forums, the more I feel many Catholics will need long spoons.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Unfortunately, the more I read these forums, the more I feel many Catholics will need long spoons.
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Legislative efforts may well be coming to try to force the Church to do what the Church has already forbidden. If so, I hope (and today am quite sure) that the Church will not abide with such unjust and illegal demands. Yes, this has already happened in most of the Communist nations, and so it is possible that our secularized nation might erode into such a condition. Then the iindividual Catholic will resist, with God’s help. Pray against such erosion and degradation.
 
bones_IV said:
Legislative efforts may well be coming to try to force the Church to do what the Church has already forbidden. If so, I hope (and today am quite sure) that the Church will not abide with such unjust and illegal demands. Yes, this has already happened in most of the Communist nations, and so it is possible that our secularized nation might erode into such a condition. Then the iindividual Catholic will resist, with God’s help. Pray against such erosion and degradation.
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We’re going to have to defend well forward here. We must resist the first such attempts to bend the Church to the secular agenda. If we give here and there, we will reach a place where we have cut the ground out from under our own feet.
 
If memory serves, the rationale for SF Catholic Charities being denied protection under the First Amendment re: contraception was the finding that it did not constitute a church organization. Perhaps a reorganization of the structure of Catholic Charities would go a long way to making it pass constitutional muster. Today we have 'Catholic" universities that even Catholics do not believe are “Catholic” - why should we be surprised that “Catholic Charities” might be deemed non-Catholic by a Court?

With all due respect to those who are upset that “Catholic” organizations are having to comply with secular laws contrary to Church teaching - perhaps the Church should first clean up its act and actually make Catholic Charities and other “Catholic” organizations “Catholic.” Then, maybe, we would have a real gripe - rather than engaging in whining.
 
vern_humphrey said:
We’re going to have to defend well forward here. We must resist the first such attempts to bend the Church to the secular agenda. If we give here and there, we will reach a place where we have cut the ground out from under our own feet.
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I agree. Father John Corapi says, “Surrender is not an option.” I blame a lot of this on libertarian capitalism.
 
johnnykins said:
If memory serves, the rationale for SF Catholic Charities being denied protection under the First Amendment re: contraception was the finding that it did not constitute a church organization. Perhaps a reorganization of the structure of Catholic Charities would go a long way to making it pass constitutional muster. Today we have 'Catholic" universities that even Catholics do not believe are “Catholic” - why should we be surprised that “Catholic Charities” might be deemed non-Catholic by a Court?

With all due respect to those who are upset that “Catholic” organizations are having to comply with secular laws contrary to Church teaching - perhaps the Church should first clean up its act and actually make Catholic Charities and other “Catholic” organizations “Catholic.” Then, maybe, we would have a real gripe - rather than engaging in whining.
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We’re saying the same thing, but with different words.

We must reassert our Catholic identity. We must follow Catholic teachings ourselves and must bring to heel those organizations which claim to be Catholic but which do not follow the Church.

And we must be prepared to face the consequences – even to being persecuted by the government.
 
vern_humphrey said:
We’re saying the same thing, but with different words.

We must reassert our Catholic identity. We must follow Catholic teachings ourselves and must bring to heel those organizations which claim to be Catholic but which do not follow the Church.

And we must be prepared to face the consequences – even to being persecuted by the government.
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Unless our children are willing to give up their lives for the faith, this sort of thing will continue. And many of these people in our secularist government are ex-catholics.
 
bones_IV said:
Unless our children are willing to give up their lives for the faith, this sort of thing will continue. And many of these people in our secularist government are ex-catholics.
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We should not forget we are the Catholic Church. Our bishops must lead us – as they have not, so far.

If the Catholic Bishops had stood forthrightly against abortion from the start, there would not be legalized abortion in this country today. Our bishops are too willing to sup with the devil.
 
vern_humphrey said:
We should not forget we are the Catholic Church. Our bishops must lead us – as they have not, so far.

If the Catholic Bishops had stood forthrightly against abortion from the start, there would not be legalized abortion in this country today. Our bishops are too willing to sup with the devil.
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I don’t think that’s true. First of all, it was in states with high Catholic numbers like New York that legalized abortion first started appearing, even before Roe. And after Roe, the Church had no say at all. I think the Bishops had already lost their Authority prior to legalized abortion. What I mean by Authority is that once upon a time, when the Bishop spoke, Catholics listened and obeyed. With the weakening of all authority structures in the 60’s, and there were a lot of young Catholics at the time, the Bishops lost their civic Authority. Today the only authority they have is in running the internal life of their dioceses. And with the recent events in the Church, the formation of SNAP, various laity actions, etc. the laity left have let it be known that if the Bishop doesn’t rule his diocese well, they will stand up to him on his turf too.
 
Don’t think it impossible for a full out attack on Catholic belief to happen in this country…If it does there will likely be bishops that are on the wrong side as an “American Catholic Church”. 😦

I know it may seem paranoid but there is a “dictatorship of relativism” that is trying to gain control in this country (and it’s not just Dems). We need to be prepared even for martyrdom (shudder).
 
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