Catholic charities breaking law on homosexual adoption

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This shows the evil of the homosexual agenda - using children as pawns and human shields in their war on God. The homosexuals who are trying to redefine marriage and family are launching a direct assault on God and thereby on the natural rights and freedoms of mankind. This confirms and highlights the fact that they are being used by the devil, who is very real and is acting through them.

This is a call for all Catholics to take up their cross and fight the good fight. Stand up and protect the souls of the children! But while doing that, recognize that we must pray for the very homosexuals who have declared themselves our enemies: love the sinner, hate the sin.
 
StrawberryJam said:
This is simply a matter for UK law to decide. That law does not have to be fair in catholic eyes.

Catholic organizations have bowed to secular law on other matters in their hospitals.

This is upsetting to catholics, I am sure. But, even they realize what makes most sense in the end if they chose to continue in their capacity at all.
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Free speech for me,but not for thee.Right?
 
Soutane said:
Free speech for me,but not for thee.Right?
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Nothing to do with free speech. If you want to register as a UK charity, and so avoid some taxes, then you have to meet certain conditions. One of the conditions is that you do not discriminate illegally.

It is open to the charities to drop their registration and operate as commercial companies should they so wish.

rossum
 
rossum said:
Nothing to do with free speech. If you want to register as a UK charity, and so avoid some taxes, then you have to meet certain conditions. One of the conditions is that you do not discriminate illegally.

It is open to the charities to drop their registration and operate as commercial companies should they so wish.
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Thank you for clarifying this.

Several CAF members have advocated the Catholic Church, or its organizations, give up tax exemptions and forgo government money in order to operate according to its beliefs. Would this be a proper response to the situation?
 
Dale_M said:
Thank you for clarifying this.

Several CAF members have advocated the Catholic Church, or its organizations, give up tax exemptions and forgo government money in order to operate according to its beliefs. Would this be a proper response to the situation?
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assuming it would be feasible, i mean how much would they be taxed? would they still have the money to operate this or any charity? but if they couold i think it would be a great response.

my only other concern is would the government LET them continue to operate. the government tends to get a little power hungry and once someone is out from under their thumb they may not be willing to share a role(see us government and not letting tarp money be repaid)
 
rossum said:
Nothing to do with free speech. If you want to register as a UK charity, and so avoid some taxes, then you have to meet certain conditions. One of the conditions is that you do not discriminate illegally.

It is open to the charities to drop their registration and operate as commercial companies should they so wish.

rossum
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Quite right, but I don’t think anyone is arguing with you on this point. The fact that this change in legislation even took place is what is absurd. There is no reason to force an institution into this situation if there are other options. A govenment institution and other adoption agencies should be able to cater to the homo crowd without instituting said legislation. This act only hurts the children.

If asked, my advice would be for the Catholic charities to ignore the law, forcing the govt’s hand to take away there funding and tax exempt status at which time htese charities would have to go it alone or shut down. But in no way should they capitulate to a unjust law such as this.

It would then fall on the gov’t and tax payers to fit the bill.

Peace!
 
prodigal-sun said:
Quite right, but I don’t think anyone is arguing with you on this point. The fact that this change in legislation even took place is what is absurd. There is no reason to force an institution into this situation if there are other options. A govenment institution and other adoption agencies should be able to cater to the homo crowd without instituting said legislation. This act only hurts the children.

If asked, my advice would be for the Catholic charities to ignore the law, forcing the govt’s hand to take away there funding and tax exempt status at which time htese charities would have to go it alone or shut down. But in no way should they capitulate to a unjust law such as this.

It would then fall on the gov’t and tax payers to fit the bill.

Peace!
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This is an attack on the existence of Catholic charities: who would donate to a charity knowing that a large percentage of their donation would go to the govt to pay taxes? Nobody: the charities would cease to exist. This is a way to drive Catholic works out of the country - those supporting such laws are supporting grave evil and should be resisted. I agree that the charities should ignore the law and bring the question to the fore: is there freedom of religion or not? If not, the country will see its demise on the horizon.
 
So where in the article exactly do they mention what’s best for the children?
 
aggiecatholic05 said:
noone is ever obliged to obey an unjust law.

-a law that says give children to unmarried people(which all gay couples qualify as-no paper can change that) is an unjust law.
-a law that tries to tell the Church to go against its teachings is an unjust law

they should do nothing different. keep helping the children, but not cave to the depravity of the pro-‘gay marriage’ advocates. the Church will always be persecuted, but will NEVER fail.
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Likewise, no one is obligated to take government financing.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Someone pinch me, but when was the UK or the USA a catholic country? Neither are, and I see this the same way that catholics react to shira law being imposed. I am an American and this country does not have to bow to a catholic belief on anything.
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Do you then think that it is an appropriate activity for the government to tell a church who it can and who it cannot offer charitable services to?

How is that NOT a violation of the seperation of Church and State. Remember that if you hold to that principle, it IS a two way street.

How would a Catholic react to hearing that Muslims opened a soup kitchen that served only Muslims. I don’t think many Catholics would care. If we did, our response would be to open up a soup kitchen that serves all.

So why don’t the secularists do the same. If they don’t like the fact that Catholic Charities do not provide adoption services to homosexuals, why don’t they just open up a new agency that does?
 
jamesneiman said:
This is an attack on the existence of Catholic charities: who would donate to a charity knowing that a large percentage of their donation would go to the govt to pay taxes? Nobody: the charities would cease to exist. This is a way to drive Catholic works out of the country - those supporting such laws are supporting grave evil and should be resisted. I agree that the charities should ignore the law and bring the question to the fore: is there freedom of religion or not? If not, the country will see its demise on the horizon.
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I couldn’t agree more! I feel what they are doing is a viscious assault on these Catholic charities that will serve to punish the children the most. I certainly do not advocate donating to govt run charities but the basic fact is that they use our money already.
 
prodigal-sun said:
I couldn’t agree more! I feel what they are doing is a viscious assault on these Catholic charities that will serve to punish the children the most. I certainly do not advocate donating to govt run charities but the basic fact is that they use our money already.
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That is an excellent point-children are being used as pawns to advance the homosexual agenda. The truth is the number of homosexual "couples’ who want to adopt chidren is miniscule and could easily be accomodated by other agencies than facilitate adoptions.
 
estesbob said:
That is an excellent point-children are being used as pawns to advance the homosexual agenda. The truth is the number of homosexual "couples’ who want to adopt chidren is miniscule and could easily be accomodated by other agencies than facilitate adoptions.
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Even homosexual adoption in other programs should be resisted. Homosexuals have no business attempting to raise children. Children need a normal couple as an example of how to lead a normal life, instead of a living example of how to live in mortal sin as an “enlightened” form of living!
 
jamesneiman said:
Even homosexual adoption in other programs should be resisted. Homosexuals have no business attempting to raise children. Children need a normal couple as an example of how to lead a normal life, instead of a living example of how to live in mortal sin as an “enlightened” form of living!
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I agree -the fact, however, that they are forcing the Church to do this when other mens are available reveals their agenda, however.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Someone pinch me, but when was the UK or the USA a catholic country? Neither are, and I see this the same way that catholics react to shira law being imposed. I am an American and this country does not have to bow to a catholic belief on anything.
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And why does the catholic Church have to acede to the stae of Mass. view on homosexuality? Why should the state have any say on who Catholic charities place children for adoption with?
 
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