Catholic Charities USA seeks minimum-wage hike

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Seriously, there has been poverty from the beginning of time and now, you want to blame it on the public school system. C’mon. Be serious!
Before you ridicule someone else, you ought to do some study:

From infoplease.com/ipa/A0883617.html you can find median annual income, by education level (up to 2004 – the latest year for which figures are available:
Less than
9th grade $21,659
9th to 12th
grade, no
completion $26,277
High school
completion
(includes
equivalency) $35,725
Some
college,
no degree $41,895
Associate
degree $44,404
Bachelor’s $57,220
Master’s $71,530
Profes-
sional $100,000
Doc-
torate $82,401
The correlation between level of education and economic success is dramatic. Now, go to your own state No Child Left Behind website and see which children are falling behind educationally.
 
Before you ridicule someone else, you ought to do some study:

From infoplease.com/ipa/A0883617.html you can find median annual income, by education level (up to 2004 – the latest year for which figures are available:

The correlation between level of education and economic success is dramatic. Now, go to your own state No Child Left Behind website and see which children are falling behind educationally.
This correlation does not prove that education is the cause of poverty. It only shows that income is currently distributed through education. In other words, it cannot tell us whether if everyone had perfect education, we would suddenly see equal incomes. In fact, chances are, there would be some other indicator of how incomes are distributed.

Kendy
 
Gee-if poverty has been here snce the beginning of time why should we raise the minimum wage in an attempt to eliminate it.?

Will a minimum wage increase help a worker escape poverty who can’t read or write of do basic math(but probably knows a whole lot about how homexuals are discriminated against and abortion is a fundamental human right.
I am not a fan of our public school system either, but the enduring problem of poverty has very little to do with whether or not children learn not to discriminate against homosexuals.

I don’t believe that poverty will be erased by raising the minimum wage, but I do think that it might force employers to share a greater piece of the pie with their workers. Yes, I think it’s pretty scandalous the way many employers pay themselves with little regard for those who contribute to making the company’s wealth, and I think we should make them do the right thing if they are not so inclined. However, it will take much more to eliminate poverty.

Kendy
 
Interesting. On my way into the local market where the folks get minimum wage, I passed a car marked “Temp Nurses” or “Travelling Nurses” and underneath said: “Starting salary $55 to $65 per hour”

Now, I know it’s
  • highly paid skill
  • and it’s a hard job
  • takes some education
  • every country in the world has a nursing shortage
  • life is not fair
I know all that. My sister is in that field and makes even more, and so does a friend of mine.

I’m just surprised no one has brought up the huge discrepencies in pay that are obvious everywhere.

I’m just surprised at the number of people who ignore that part of chatechism of the Catholic church when it comes to the worker being worthy of his hire.

Are we capitalists first and Catholics last?
Don’t stress about it. It’s the Republican Answers Forum, and you should expect political conservative answers, but outside of this forum, there are many, many catholics who are very concerned about the wealth gap in this country, including Father Corapi, who spoke about the wealth gap in one of his lectures. So, if this is something you are concerned about, you will not have a hard time finding catholic organizations to get involved with.
 
Catholic Charities in my area, one of the most expensive in the country, pays its’ workers with a BA/BS around 25-30,000 per year. Doesn’t hold water, this proposal, if it comes from an organization that can’t live up to it, themselves.

BTW The biggest reason for poverty is usually the inconsidreate way in which taxes and fees exclude not necessarily the poor, but low wage workers, from mastering even the most basic needs. In our area, for example the housing market has become a commodity, not shelter. Therefore, high costs and crippling taxes and fees have produced a steady flight of marginal workers out of their homes and neighborhoods. Taxes on wages, utilities, gasoline, and telephones; mandatory fees for water sewer, garbage and insurance, soon break the bank of anyone working for wages above the poverty line but below the true cost of living.
 
I am not a fan of our public school system either, but the enduring problem of poverty has very little to do with whether or not children learn not to discriminate against homosexuals.

I don’t believe that poverty will be erased by raising the minimum wage, but I do think that it might force employers to share a greater piece of the pie with their workers. Yes, I think it’s pretty scandalous the way many employers pay themselves with little regard for those who contribute to making the company’s wealth, and I think we should make them do the right thing if they are not so inclined. However, it will take much more to eliminate poverty.

Kendy
And these employers are?
 
Kendy;1806636**:
This correlation does not prove that education is the cause of poverty. It only shows that income is currently distributed through education
. In other words, it cannot tell us whether if everyone had perfect education, we would suddenly see equal incomes. In fact, chances are, there would be some other indicator of how incomes are distributed.

Kendy

A distinction without a difference.
 
This correlation does not prove that education is the cause of poverty. It only shows that income is currently distributed through education.
Read what you just wrote – aloud – and tell me if it sounds strange to you.😉

Education is positively correlated with education. What you mean when you say “income is currently distributed **through **education” is impenetrable.
In other words, it cannot tell us whether if everyone had perfect education, we would suddenly see equal incomes. In fact, chances are, there would be some other indicator of how incomes are distributed.

Kendy
“We would suddenly see equal incomes?” What on earth put that idea into your head?

Income is highly correlated with education. If you want to make someone self-supporting, the best approach is to give him an education. The better his education, the more likely he is not only to be self-supporting, but to be a source of help to others.

Now do you claim we can help poor children by denying them education? Because that’s where your argument is trending.
 
Catholic Charities in my area, one of the most expensive in the country, pays its’ workers with a BA/BS around 25-30,000 per year. Doesn’t hold water, this proposal, if it comes from an organization that can’t live up to it, themselves.

BTW The biggest reason for poverty is usually the inconsidreate way in which taxes and fees exclude not necessarily the poor, but low wage workers, from mastering even the most basic needs. In our area, for example the housing market has become a commodity, not shelter. Therefore, high costs and crippling taxes and fees have produced a steady flight of marginal workers out of their homes and neighborhoods. Taxes on wages, utilities, gasoline, and telephones; mandatory fees for water sewer, garbage and insurance, soon break the bank of anyone working for wages above the poverty line but below the true cost of living.
To some people, “social justice” doesn’t mean we do anything to help. It means we stand around and point the finger at someone** else** – like the Pharasee in the parable.
 
Don’t stress about it. It’s the Republican Answers Forum, and you should expect political conservative answers, but outside of this forum, there are many, many catholics who are very concerned about the wealth gap in this country, including Father Corapi, who spoke about the wealth gap in one of his lectures. So, if this is something you are concerned about, you will not have a hard time finding catholic organizations to get involved with.
As opposed to a Liberal democrat forum? Do we really want to break down the party agenda for each and compare them to Catholic teachings? Last I checked the Republican party was still against abortion and support LESS government involvment in our private lives. Look, all I am saying is that each person has a choice and if they choose to get out of poverty they can, I am not against giving someone a helping hand to get started in the right direction.
 
That’s insane!

Imagine all the people who want a career working 2 hours a day testing the solitaire game for Microsoft. By your logic we have to respect the intrinsic dignity of this career path…

You don’t get a family wage for that. No one will pay for that.
I’m expecting full time work for a full time wage, naturally.

Alas, haven’t you ever heard of the guy in the old testament whose call it was to stand around guarding a lonely beanfield?

And some people might suggest that the “work” of religious who are called to a life of dedicated prayer isn’t very “productive”. Why ought we give to the religious retirement fund every year, for instance?
 
As opposed to a Liberal democrat forum? Do we really want to break down the party agenda for each and compare them to Catholic teachings? Last I checked the Republican party was still against abortion and support LESS government involvment in our private lives. Look, all I am saying is that each person has a choice and if they choose to get out of poverty they can, I am not against giving someone a helping hand to get started in the right direction.
It would be an interesting exercise to go through this thread and sort the participants into Liberals and Conservatives, then have some one else sort them into “People who offer solutions we can apply” and “people who want someone else to do the work and pay the costs.”

And then compare the two lists.😉
 
It was Catholic schools that pulled the poor, shanty Irish out of the gutters and made them prosperous. It was Catholic schools that welcomed wave after wave of immiogrants and made them successful.
And nominally Catholic.

There’s a certain irony about this thread and the one noting someone’s claim of “Catholics have more kids because they are less educated” being on the same forum. For the reality is that as people become more affluent (due to “education” they by and large tend to have less kids).
 
I’m expecting full time work for a full time wage, naturally.

Alas, haven’t you ever heard of the guy in the old testament whose call it was to stand around guarding a lonely beanfield?

And some people might suggest that the “work” of religious who are called to a life of dedicated prayer isn’t very “productive”. Why ought we give to the religious retirement fund every year, for instance?
Is it your opinion, then that ministering to the parish, saying mass, teaching children and so on is wortheless?

If it isn’t, why on earth would you post something like
And some people might suggest that the “work” of religious who are called to a life of dedicated prayer isn’t very “productive”.
 
We use to be able to give extra pay to those who supported a family, but that got threw out with the attempts to make equal pay for equal work.
The latter being a concept wholeheartedly endorsed by none other than Bishop Fulton Sheen (that great, well educated Irishman).
 
Gee-if poverty has been here snce the beginning of time why should we raise the minimum wage in an attempt to eliminate it.?

Will a minimum wage increase help a worker escape poverty who can’t read or write of do basic math(but probably knows a whole lot about how homexuals are discriminated against and abortion is a fundamental human right.
A worker who can read and write and do basic math may well be stuck in a low paying job. Heck, many people with college degrees can’t get anything better than making lattes at Starbucks.
 
So, according to the opinions on this thread, very few people are actually on minimum wage and to increase it will be the end of the world as we know it due to the hyper-inflation it’ll cause? :rolleyes:

For all those against it, I can’t wait for your jobs to be shipped off to China to be done at a fraction of the cost. That way you’ll be able to taste the idea you’re expressing first hand. That’s the “American Way” is it not? To let the free market forces decide etc.

Alternatively, you can conceed that a fair minimum wage is like buying an American car over an imported number. It helps people in your own country, it doesn’t ship it abroad.
 
The correlation between level of education and economic success is dramatic. Now, go to your own state No Child Left Behind website and see which children are falling behind educationally.
The percentage of people who actually do go on to college or professional level studies is relatively small compared to the overall population. And, in a certain sense, the system is designed to be that way. Perhaps if more people had masters degrees, wages would level out and come down for those with masters degrees. But maybe not. For what is ultimately at play is a certain struggle of the classes. Rich people need poor people in order to stay rich. There’s even a self limiting factor. How many medical schools are there and how many people who WANT to study to be a physician can’t get in due to competition, for instance? If everyone were a doctor would the “value” of doctors be so high or would they have to find other jobs to supplement their income?

Maybe it’s not entirely a bad thing that not everyone has as signifigant a level of formal schooling as everyone else. In the world, we all have distinct calls which are complementary. We need garbage men just as much as we do lawyers. What’s important is that all are respected for their role in life and enabled to live in justice and equity.
 
BTW The biggest reason for poverty is usually the inconsidreate way in which taxes and fees exclude not necessarily the poor, but low wage workers, from mastering even the most basic needs. In our area, for example the housing market has become a commodity, not shelter. Therefore, high costs and crippling taxes and fees have produced a steady flight of marginal workers out of their homes and neighborhoods. Taxes on wages, utilities, gasoline, and telephones; mandatory fees for water sewer, garbage and insurance, soon break the bank of anyone working for wages above the poverty line but below the true cost of living.
Alas, someone on this thread who actually ‘gets it’!
 
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