Some of Christ’s teachings were taken in the worst of ways, but he never failed to teach even if it offended. Being part of the Church and free from the sin of formal heresy is essential for salvation.
That is so True
With regards to Outside the church there is no salvation it can be referred to scriptures:
First we must remember that Christ did establish His Church:
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“And I say to thee: That **thou art Peter**; and **upon this rock** I will build my church, and **the gates of hell** shall not prevail against it.” *Matthew* 16: 18 DRB].
*“Thou art Peter”*... As St. Peter, by divine revelation, here made a solemn profession of his faith of the divinity of Christ; so in recompense of this faith and profession, our Lord here declares to him the dignity to which he is pleased to raise him: viz., that he to whom he had already given the name of Peter, signifying a rock, St. John 1. 42, should be a rock indeed, of invincible strength, for the support of the building of the church; in which building he should be, next to Christ himself, the chief foundation stone, in quality of chief pastor, ruler, and governor; and should have accordingly all fulness of ecclesiastical power, signified by the keys of the kingdom of heaven.
*“Upon this rock”*... The words of Christ to Peter, spoken in the vulgar language of the Jews which our Lord made use of, were the same as if he had said in English, Thou art a Rock, and upon this rock I will build my church. So that, by the plain course of the words, Peter is here declared to be the rock, upon which the church was to be built: Christ himself being both the principal foundation and founder of the same. Where also note, that Christ, by building his house, that is, his church, upon a rock, has thereby secured it against all storms and floods, like the wise builder, St. Matt. 7. 24, 25.
*“The gates of hell”*... That is, the powers of darkness, and whatever Satan can do, either by himself, or his agents. For as the church is here likened to a house, or fortress, built on a rock; so the adverse powers are likened to a contrary house or fortress, the gates of which, that is, the whole strength, and all the efforts it can make, will never be able to prevail over the city or church of Christ. By this promise we are fully assured, that neither idolatry, heresy, nor any pernicious error whatsoever shall at any time prevail over the church of Christ.
Saint Peter was Our First Pope. Our Lord said “I am the Truth.” What is truth? Truth omits error, it is conformity to reality or actuality. He founded his Church and said, “And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen”
[Matthew 18: 17].
“The church” would be the one the He founded through Peter, not through Martin Luther, Nicholas Storch & Thomas Munzer, Henry VIII, etc… (“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.” Matthew 28: 20 DRB])
(St. Ignatius seems to have been the first to give the name “Catholic” to “The Church.” He did this in a letter he wrote about the year 110, and in the course of the next two centuries the name caught on, and came into general use. By that time there were a few heresies in vogue, like Arianism, and “Catholic” became a name to distinguish the true Church from error and schism)
Again He told His Apostles, “he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me”
[Luke 10: 16] and,“He that is not with me, is against me.”
Luke 11:23; Matth. 12:30].
Saint Paul, in his Second Epistle to the Thessalonians, [1 : 7–10], states:
“And to you who are troubled, rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven, with the angels of his power: In a flame of fire, giving vengeance to them who know not God, and who obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who shall suffer eternal punishment in destruction, from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of his power: When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be made wonderful in all them who have believed; because our testimony was believed upon you in that day.”
Also, in the same Epistle [2 : 8–11] Saint Paul says:
“And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore
God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.”
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God shall send”… That is God shall suffer them to be deceived by lying wonders, and false miracles, in punishment of their not entertaining the love of truth.
The Scriptures also speak of tradition: “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the
traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle”
2 Thessalonians 2:14]. (In bibles outside of the Latin Vulgate and Douay-Rheims it will bee 2Thess. 2:15)
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Traditions”… See here that the unwritten traditions are no less to be received than their epistles.
Basically From
Matthew 16: 18; 28: 20] Our Lord is saying that his Church will never fall, So those who break away from Rome contravene what our Lord has ensured us about his Church, that She will never fall.
Other Biblical References: [John 5: 24; 13: 20; 14: 16][1John 2: 23][2John 1: 9][Luke 10: 16; 11: 23][Mark 16: 16][Matthew 10: 40; 12: 30; 12: 32; 18: 17]
1 Corinthians 5: 11]
If you wish to start your own thread I encourage you to do so as it seems you have some things to get off your chest. Remember, though, the verses that I offered in my original post… We are to LOVE one another and speak to each other in love.
If you continue to hyjack this thread I will be forced to report you to the moderators.
Sigh. Some people just don’t want to play nice.
