Catholic Church and freemasonary?

[Answersplease]

Ever heard of “Sacred Geometry?” Just be grateful to God, for the Sacred work of the Free Masons who dedicated their lives and their work to His glory.

You are so ignorant of the foundations and the history of your own religion, and of its sacred places, that it makes me wonder whether you actually went to school.

I did not disrespect you.

And your language is abusive and petty.

As for your sacred geometry, I have never heard of it. And if it is so special then it would be taught in every school in the world.

What can your sacred geometry do?
Will it bring world peace?
Will it feed the hungry?

And because of your attitude, I don’t really want to learn about your sacred geometry, so don’t bother answering the questions.

You make an assumption as to what religion I am, and you have no proof, then you launch an abusive tirade based on that assumption.

And you didn’t answer the question, you just launched a personal attack. That shows you don’t have an answer.

If they did the work for free, then it was a gift and nothing should be expected in return.

If they were paid for the work, then the pay they got should be gratitude enough.

 

[John_oxios]

"If it can be shown that the Scotch-Irish bishops or pastors maintained a parity of rank and authority from their conversion until the twelfth century, then St. Patrick and Columba were both Scotch-Irish Presbyterians, notwithstanding the effort of some historians to claim them for the Church of Rome…

We need no further evidence that they were Culdees than the fact that when St. Patrick left Scotland, about A.D. 425, he began preaching and organizing Culdee Churches in Ireland. Archbishop Usher says: “We read in ‘Nennius’ that at the beginning St. Patrick founded three hundred and sixty-five Churches, and ordained three hundred and sixty-five bishops an**d three thousand presbyters or elders.” **That is to say, one bishop or pastor and about eight elders for each Church, which is Presbyterianism pure and simple. Thus it is evident from Usher and others that as Patrick ordained one bishop for each Church, they were Presbyterian and not prelatic bishops.

Do you really believe that stufff you print?

Sorry the term ‘presbyter’ comes from the Greek, presyteros, it is the very word we get ‘priest’ from.

The Prelate Bishops, appointed elders to the local Churches in there absence, since Apostolic times, that still is true today, When the Bishop steps any Church property, the Pastor Priest (Catholic) i.e Elder, abdicates his authority, in respect to his Bishop. Next i guess you’ll try to state All the apostles were Presbyterians and whatever form of mason you cal yourself?

Presbyterianism is a form of Calvinism, the Presbyterian Church is first formed in Scottland 1847, in 1900 the Union free Presbyterian Church is formed, in thses here Unitd States the Presbyterian Church is formed 1858.

Another point Calvinisn, John calvin wasn’t born till 1509, how you get St. Patrick as a Presbyterian, 1000 yrs. before it happens, is like a Jehovah Witness claims to Abel (Brother of Cain, Genesis) as being the first Jehovah witness, nothing could be farther from the Truth. I guess that’s what may really distinguish you from the Moderns, they probably can’t Believe:bigyikes: your history without laughing out loud.

As far as your stained glass window? that’s another 800 yrs at least after St. Patricks death… it proves nothing.

keep shoveling though, one day you may dig up the whole truth!

 

[brigantine]

This thread is like a Vampire! No matter how many times it dies it keeps rising from the dead!

 

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[Azaziel]

I think individuals on this forum are very misguided about the subject of masonry.

Mr Clatworthy’s GLAE defines the nature of God and does believe in the immortality of the soul (which is a fully compatible belief with all Christian faiths)

UGL masonry does not define these ideas

I think there are a lot of zealots within this forum, who are willfully ignorant of masonry (in all it’s forms)

 

[workingman]

I think individuals on this forum are very misguided about the subject of masonry.

Mr Clatworthy’s GLAE defines the nature of God and does believe in the immortality of the soul (which is a fully compatible belief with all Christian faiths)

UGL masonry does not define these ideas

I think there are a lot of zealots within this forum, who are willfully ignorant of masonry (in all it’s forms)

UGL may not define the immortality of the soul but that fact alone does not make it compatible with Christianity.

So I have a question for you Azaziel. Do you or can you come bearing proof that Mr. Clatworthy could not?

 

[John_oxios]

I think individuals on this forum are very misguided about the subject of masonry.

Mr Clatworthy’s GLAE defines the nature of God and does believe in the immortality of the soul (which is a fully compatible belief with all Christian faiths)

UGL masonry does not define these ideas

I think there are a lot of zealots within this forum, who are willfully ignorant of masonry (in all it’s forms)

Azaziel,
You may think its full compatible with Christian ideas, But as Catholics its incompatible with who we are, and Mr.Clatworthy is trying to sell us a bill of goods and defy our Church for the sake of his ‘Glae’
God bless,
John

 

[John_oxios]

Hello Jharek,
Mr. Clatworthy got banned ? Sorry to hear that but what 's to stop him from coming back under another screen name?

God bless,
John

 

[Azaziel]

I get upset for the fact that Peter can’t have his “right to reply”.

Over the course of the last year I have got to know this man, I hold him in the upmost regard and find him highly intelligent and moral. We differ in opinions (especially Masonically) but I have read through the various posts here and generally think he got a rough deal.

I don’t know very much about the GLAE, (but now neither will any of you, as you have booted off the only representative that could answer your questions)

 

[masonicinfo]

I think individuals on this forum are very misguided about the subject of masonry.

Mr Clatworthy’s GLAE defines the nature of God and does believe in the immortality of the soul (which is a fully compatible belief with all Christian faiths)

UGL masonry does not define these ideas

I think there are a lot of zealots within this forum, who are willfully ignorant of masonry (in all it’s forms)

I’m not at all ignorant of Freemasonry but can say without fear of contradiction (except from Mr. Clatworthy, of course, who’s running around on the David Icke forum referring to me as a “lying racist”) that his GLAE may have one definition propounded here and another, quite different one, put forth somewhere else. This is the problem, you see, with these groups that have only a handful of members and try to imitate something of antiquity. Their principles are built on shifting sands and will constantly change based on which way the wind is blowing on any given day.

The United Grand Lodge of England does not define such things because it is NOT a religion and has no business in them. Mr. Clatworthy is on a campaign for membership and self-glory. And, has been noted, is banned here now. This is his SECOND banning. I don’t know about you but I certainly wouldn’t want to belong to a group whose public face is so repugnant that he gets banned from online venues on a VERY regular basis (this isn’t the first place this has happened, folks!).

Ed King
www.masonicinfo.com/allengland.htm

 

[masonicinfo]

I get upset for the fact that Peter can’t have his “right to reply”.

Over the course of the last year I have got to know this man, I hold him in the upmost regard and find him highly intelligent and moral. We differ in opinions (especially Masonically) but I have read through the various posts here and generally think he got a rough deal.

I don’t know very much about the GLAE, (but now neither will any of you, as you have booted off the only representative that could answer your questions)

Perhaps you might want to enlighten yourself, Chris. Mr. Clatworthy’s personal insults are NOT the way Freemasonry is conducted. While I realize you are new to the organization, even you should be able to discern that. Say a word sideways to him and you’ll find the Mr. Hyde personality in full bloom.

Ed King
www.masonicinfo.com/allengland.htm

 

[Azaziel]

Ed,

The only point I am making is that I think that anybody should have the right to reply. I don’t know yourself - I don’t really know Peter, but he has never been aggressive towards me in any shape or form.

Do I agree with all of his comments - no I don’t.

Do I want to join the GLAE - no I don’t

Do you understand, this , to me is about letting an individual have the right of reply.

Nothing personal

 

[Godlike]

Great thread, this. Glad to see the Grand Secretary of the Grand Lodge of All-England (founded 2005) Peter Clatworthy given his marching orders.