Catholic church collects money for mosque

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carol_marie said:
I bolded the word in your post that makes all the difference. Yes- it’s possible they may be saved - but it’s a long shot for them at best certainly wasn’t what the Saints were willing to bank on. They traveled such great distances, endured terrible trials - often death to tell others the truth about Jesus Christ.

Far better to actually TELL them about baptism - and not only baptism - but Jesus Christ and how much better their life would be with HIM in it. Jesus said that the road to heaven is narrow & few find it. It is OUR responsibility to tell everyone that the way to the Father is through JESUS - not Mohammad - a message that gets totally muddled if we’re building mosques.

I was once lost and totally caught up in a religion that did NOT believe in Jesus. I am so happy that Chrisitans TOLD me about Christ - TOLD me about His Church - rather than build a Kingdom Hall where I would continue to be taught lies. In fact, if Catholics HAD built a Kingdom Hall, I would’ve been thrilled to know that even THEY recognized that the Jehovah’s Witnesses were the true religion. Do you see how dangerous & ridiculous that is?

Building the mosque was NOT a good deed. :nope:
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I find your argument sound carol marie, nice work. Your personal example was also very helpful. Dominus tecum.
 
elijahson said:
May i respectfully say that i am sick and tired of the theology of “dialogue”. We are selling our Holy Faith, the faith of the martyrs, of the Saints out. Christ has called us to proclaim His Gospel to every creature under heaven. The term “dialogue” to me connotates equality, two equals sitting down to discuss.
While we are equal as human beings in our discussion, we must never deny that our Holy Roman Catholic Faith is THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD AND LIFE IN THIS WORLD. To compromise it or obscure it by ambiguity is scandalous. Jesus said that who ever confesses Him before men, he will confess before the angels of the Father. He also said whoever denys Him before men, he will also deny before the father. We should be respectful of people of course, but never deny the truth or obscure it. We should be more concerned with letting the Lord down, than we are with “dialogue”.
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Is that not becoming a fundamentalist /radicalist?
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paarsurrey said:
Is that not becoming a fundamentalist /radicalist?
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No, I think it is simply a conservative reading of Christianity. I would argue that to not engage in dialogue is letting the Lord down, but there is room in our faith for disagreements.
 
The religoun of the flase prophet Muhammed and his followers is a principal religoun of the anti-christ, by definition, and by the teachings fo St. Paul it is a sin to accept and promote the teachings of the anti-christ. When the old woman gave some coins at the Temple, it would have been with a prayer that the money be used by the Lord for a good cause. Money was never used by Israel to support the followers of Baal or Dagon or other such Persian theist gods, but for Orphans, for widows, for true charity- An the remnant of Israel ought to continue to give charity carefully. The widow was defined by the way as a pauper religous widow, not any widow. Do no evil. I could give money to the red cross, but their idea of helping with family planning is to give abortions- i.e. kill unborn children. So I don’t give them money. I find a better way- and I pray that the Lord make plenty out of what little is given. In this case I shall pray the Lord channel the money away from the Mosque to a true cause of charity.
Let us not try to please our Lord by making sacrifices to demons- would not St. Paul so say??

Peace,
MK
 
If a Muslim is homeless by all means, help him get on his feet. If he is hungry feed him. But if he can’t afford a Mosque, invite him to Mass. There is absolutely no provision in my theology for supporting the propagation of another faith and that is what building a mosque does. Charity and Love of one’s neighbor are laudable and indeed are the highest form of evangelization that exists.

I sometimes fear that we have gone weak as Catholics. Do we no longer believe that Catholicism is the natural home of man? Islam is NOT better for a Muslim, Catholicism is. By building a mosque for them we send EXACTLY the opposite message. We are in effect saying “Oh, we know that Catholicism isn’t REALLY true…Islam is!” How can we expect the world to believe in Catholicism when we send messages like this?
 
You guys should check out the Catechism #841. It shows how the Muslims also worship the one Creator. I think this implies we should celebrate our similarities. While I think evangelization is important, the Catechism makes it a point to mention Muslims spefically as our brothers in the worship of the one true God. I also see JP2’s and Pope Benedict’s special effort at ecumenism with the Muslims. Neither of these Holy Men were trying to convert these people in their respective visits to Muslim countries nor in their dialogue with Muslim leaders. They were trying to spread the message of good will that Christ brought to the world. While Muslims do view our Lord Jesus and our Blessed Mother differently, they revere both of them very much. In fact, they revere Mary more than most Protestant denominations. If we are able to plant the seeds of conversion in the heart of a Muslim then that’s wonderful, but that doesn’t mean that we should not support a community of Muslims that lost their place of worship. A place of worship that at least is dedicated to the one true God. By supporting a community of Muslims this parish is supporting their neighbors, not the whole Islamic faith.
 
DiscernVoc said:
You guys should check out the Catechism #841. It shows how the Muslims also worship the one Creator. I think this implies we should celebrate our similarities. While I think evangelization is important, the Catechism makes it a point to mention Muslims spefically as our brothers in the worship of the one true God. I also see JP2’s and Pope Benedict’s special effort at ecumenism with the Muslims. Neither of these Holy Men were trying to convert these people in their respective visits to Muslim countries nor in their dialogue with Muslim leaders. They were trying to spread the message of good will that Christ brought to the world. While Muslims do view our Lord Jesus and our Blessed Mother differently, they revere both of them very much. In fact, they revere Mary more than most Protestant denominations. If we are able to plant the seeds of conversion in the heart of a Muslim then that’s wonderful, but that doesn’t mean that we should not support a community of Muslims that lost their place of worship. A place of worship that at least is dedicated to the one true God. By supporting a community of Muslims this parish is supporting their neighbors, not the whole Islamic faith.
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Hi
I appreciate your post. I agree with you that the Catholics should do whatever is possible to create goodwill in the hearts of the Muslims . This could be done with love which is the corner stone of the Catholic faith.
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I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi
I appreciate your post. I agree with you that the Catholics should do whatever is possible to create goodwill in the hearts of the Muslims . This could be done with love which is the corner stone of the Catholic faith.
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I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
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you just say that cause you dont have anything to loose on it
 
Let’s keep the personal attacks out of this discussion, folks. Thanks for your cooperation.
 
nils_iver said:
read the earlier posts before asking that again would you
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I have been following this thread, but I am not sure to what you are referring. I think you mean a post or posts made by someone other than you, but could you point to it or to them so I might better understand your comment?
 
Dale_M said:
I have been following this thread, but I am not sure to what you are referring. I think you mean a post or posts made by someone other than you, but could you point to it or to them so I might better understand your comment?
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in that case then your question to me is already answered then by earlier posts 🤷
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi
I appreciate your post. I agree with you that the Catholics should do whatever is possible to create goodwill in the hearts of the Muslims . This could be done with love which is the corner stone of the Catholic faith.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
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May I ask if you wouldn’t mind collecting money at your local mosque to build a Catholic church?
 
nils_iver said:
you know what? why dont we start collection money for satanism as well huh?

end of discussion:nope:
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To compare Islam and Satanism is hateful and ludicrous. Our very own catechism points to Muslims as our brothers in worshipping the One God. If you disagree with helping to build the mosque,fine, but at least be respectful and dignified towards the discussion and people of the Islamic faith, one who is actually on this thread.
 
I agree that helping to fund the building of a mosque is patently the most ridiculous and foolhardy thing a Christian community could do.

I could compare it to the folly that Jesus indulged in when He died for me. If I had been around, I could have told him what a useless exercise it all was, because I’m certainly not worth that kind of investment.

But He did it anyway.

What an Idiot!
 
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