Catholic Church historical colonies persecution of Native Americans

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That was secular.

 

[Daisy]

God doesn’t want us to whitewash St. Peter the first Pope, who does He want us to whitewash?

Huh. That’s an insightful comment. But there was redemption and goodness in Peter’s life.

 

[phil19034]

And part of their noble quest to was to take the Inca Queen, try to rape her, and when she resisted, they killed her. I guess that was part of bringing Christ to the natives, through terror and attrocity.

Not all of the Spanish were good Catholics. Believe it or not, but in the middle ages, there were people who didn’t believe what the Church taught.

 

[phil19034]

Not all the natives the Spanish encountered practiced human sacrifice. In fact the earliest alliances in Mexico were between neighbors of the Aztecs that were pretty darned tired of being culled for human sacrifices. The Spanish held a vast New World Empire from California to Tierra del Fuego, and more than just human sacrificing religious groups made up the pre-Columbian populations.

Yes, I’m aware. It was actually some of these early alliances that asked the Spanish to over throw the groups that practiced human sacrifice. One of the groups the Spanish allied themselves with in South America were key allies against the Inca.

 

[phil19034]

At my old Catholic High School in Canada, there were lots of posters etc. set up for “Orange Shirt Day” which is meant to educate Canadian students on Residential Schools here in Canada, which have been mentioned in this thread.

I’m going to ask a very controversial question: Has the education on Residential Schools in Canada descended into anti-Catholic propaganda?

I understand that it is important to educate students in Catholic schools on the evils visited on the Indigenous peoples in Canada through physical, sexual and emotional abuse in Residential Schools (and it should be taught), but I would love to see just as much effort teaching the rest of the history of the Catholic Church in Canada, even if that means making Indigenous people uncomfortable by talking about the North American Martyrs.

These are Catholic Schools: their focus should be imparting the faith to their students, not stirring up anti-Catholicism in their hearts!

I don’t know… but I know that the “Orange men” in Ireland were the anti-Catholic protestants and often militant ones at that.

Even today, if you go into a bar in Ireland (esp Northern Ireland) that is mostly Catholic wearing an orange shirt, you could be looking at some serious trouble.

The fact that an orange shirt was chosen in Canada is either very ignorant to history or very specific call back to the Orangemen in Ireland.

 

[mjm076]

That’s interesting!! Can’t say I’ve been to Ireland.

The reason an orange shirt was chosen to represent “Residential Schools” is because a woman who went to one of the schools, which was run by nuns, had her orange shirt taken away from her.

 

[phil19034]

That’s interesting!! Can’t say I’ve been to Ireland.

The reason an orange shirt was chosen to represent “Residential Schools” is because a woman who went to one of the schools, which was run by nuns, had her orange shirt taken away from her.

I wonder what year that was? If the nun was from Ireland or was Irish, and if it was during or after the time of the Orangemen, that might be why the shirt was taken away.

Its sounds to me that they might be very ignorant of Catholic history in the British Isles.

After all - Canada was officially part of the British Empire until after World War II.

God Bless

 

[mjm076]

Just looked up the year: 1973/1974.

For the record it seems all (or at least a majority) of students had their home clothes taken away when they arrived at the schools.

Again, there were horrific abuses that happened at these schools, which were run by Catholic Religious orders and some Anglican churches etc. But I just feel like the Catholic schools should talk about the schools as merely one chapter of the Catholic Churches history in Canada.

 

[Crocus]

The reason an orange shirt was chosen to represent “Residential Schools” is because a woman who went to one of the schools, which was run by nuns, had her orange shirt taken away from her.

If the nun was from Ireland or was Irish, and if it was during or after the time of the Orangemen, that might be why the shirt was taken away.

Its sounds to me that they might be very ignorant of Catholic history in the British Isles.

I had not heard the story before so I looked it up. Nothing to do with Orangemen. These orange shirts are a completely understandable symbol of compassion for the experiences of many children.

https://www.orangeshirtday.org/phyllis-story.html

 

[phil19034]

I think you misunderstood me.

When I first heard, I though the selection of the orange shirt was either purposely anti-catholic or done out of ignorance of the offensiveness to Irish Catholics. It’s obviously that the orange shirt was selected due to this woman’s orange shirt when she was a kid - regardless of whether or not they know abount the Orangemen.

My second email is wondering if the nun took the orange shirt away due to the Orangmen in Ireland. Since Canada was part of the British Empire, it would make sense that a religious sister in the 1970s would know all about it.

Regardless - the Orangemen was an ugly part of Catholic / Protestant clashing in the British Empire (which Canada was part of)

God Bless

 

[Crocus]

wondering if the nun took the orange shirt away due to the Orangmen in Ireland

My understanding is that the children were given uniforms to wear (not unlike the uniform I wore in Catholic elementary school). They all had to surrender their clothing, some of which might have been traditional, handmade. Their hair was cut in the same way. So began the new disciplined life, to transform them into manageable citizens.

Entirely possible though that an Irish nun could experience negative feelings at the sight of an orange shirt.

 

[Crocus]

The government of the day thought so, that they stood in the way of dividing up the land and settling it. The government took steps to try to change the indigenous people to be more like themselves. To train them to be farmers for example. It utilized the churches and religious organizations to bring about the goal of “civilizing” them by suppressing their culture. The dominant culture in general favoured strict control of children in contrast to the indigenous culture. Schools were built, but underfunded. There was poverty and isolation. Within the stark conditions, some individuals took opportunities to abuse children, while others turned a “blind eye.” The experience was traumatic for many children. To be separated from family, for long periods of time, and in some cases great distances with no understanding of why, what they might have done, to deserve this treatment. Tragic.