Catholic Church in Buffalo, New York, Puts "Jesus had 2 Dads and He Turned Out Just Fine" On Sign (Bishop Immediately Orders It Taken Down)

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After a Catholic priest this sign up on the front lawn of his church, the bishop of Buffalo got many phone calls complaining about it, some from other countries, for its apparent promotion of the gay agenda. The bishop said he ordered it taken down as soon as he learned about it. However, the parish priest then said it wasn’t about gay life at all, but was meant to refer to several parish families where children had both a father and a grandfather. However, all the same, this stir remains significant for showing such strong Catholic refusal of gay marriage.
see www.wkbw.com/news/buffalo-catholic-church-ordered-to-remove-message-on-sign
 
With all due respect to that priest … Total lack of judgment
 
phil19034 said:
With all due respect to that priest … Total lack of judgment
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With all due respect to the priest… What??? The sign didn’t say Jesus was raise by a Father and a Grandfather (as he states), it said two dads. You also don’t put out a sign like that that requires an understanding of the internal makeup of the parish. Out of charity I will agree with you that is was simply a lack of judgement.
 
Not sure I’ve heard that meaning before. According to this, “Jesus Had Two Dads”: What’s Behind That Controversial Church Sign:
So where did it start?
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I found a blog reference from 2010, and a longer examination of the theology behind it from 2011, indicating it had been around a while:
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There is a phrase that has been doing the rounds in gay Christian circles for a while now: “Jesus had two dads, and he turned out just fine.” Is there any scriptural basis for this? Yes, of course there is. It is right there in Matthew chapter 1. Joseph’s role in Jesus life was so important that his lineage was traced through Joseph, not Mary. Joseph wasn’t merely some human caretaker, he was Jesus’ human father. At the same time, God was Jesus’ father in a much more literal sense than he is our father, so there is no doubt that, for mainstream Christians at least, Jesus did have two dads.
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Christian pastors invariably defend the message, arguing it doesn’t mean what people think it does. Here’s a report from Nashville in 2013:

Most drivers who saw it thought it was a comment on gay and lesbian parents, but the pastor behind it says it’s a comment about how Jesus had two fathers: God and Joseph.

He says the reaction is a misunderstanding.

“Theologically, Jesus is the son of God, but also the son of Joseph,” said Pastor Bill Campbell. “It’s about children and people who grew up in homes, extended families, parents that are separated and having step dads.”

Right. (For a better explanation of the theology involving St. Joseph check out this piece by Fr. Michael D. Griffin.)

In short, there’s a rather long history of that phrase being put to use primarily to defend same-sex marriage.

aleteia.org/blogs/deacon-greg-kandra/jesus-had-two-dads-whats-behind-that-controversial-church-sign/
 
Fine, kids can have two dads if one is God and the other is a Saint.
 
mdgspencer said:
After a Catholic priest this sign up on the front lawn of his church, the bishop of Buffalo got many phone calls complaining about it, some from other countries, for its apparent promotion of the gay agenda. The bishop said he ordered it taken down as soon as he learned about it. However, the parish priest then said it wasn’t about gay life at all, but was meant to refer to several parish families where children had both a father and a grandfather. However, all the same, this stir remains significant for showing such strong Catholic refusal of gay marriage.
see www.wkbw.com/news/buffalo-catholic-church-ordered-to-remove-message-on-sign
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He didnt have two dads. He had a dad and a stepdad.
 
Usige said:
With all due respect to the priest… What??? The sign didn’t say Jesus was raise by a Father and a Grandfather (as he states), it said two dads. You also don’t put out a sign like that that requires an understanding of the internal makeup of the parish. Out of charity I will agree with you that is was simply a lack of judgement.
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??? huh? I’m not sure what you think I meant but agree with you totally. I’m simply saying that if what he said about Fathers and Stepfathers and Fathers & Grandfathers it true (and that he wasn’t lying to his bishop) then it’s a total lack of judgment.

Also says a ton about whoever was involved with that sign.
 
phil19034 said:
??? huh? I’m not sure what you think I meant but agree with you totally. I’m simply saying that if what he said about Fathers and Stepfathers and Fathers & Grandfathers it true (and that he wasn’t lying to his bishop) then it’s a total lack of judgment.

Also says a ton about whoever was involved with that sign.
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My apologies, I was agreeing with your first post, but you were much more charitable than my first reaction. My first thought went beyond thinking it was poor judgment to something more nefarious. You simply reminded me to assume the most charitable interpretation rather than jumping to interpret it through a lens clouded by the deplorable state of morals in today’s world.
 
It probably was meant as an encouragement to those who don’t live in a traditional home with their mother and father, however; the world tends to pervert anything possible. I agree with the other posters- huge lack of judgement. This priest probably didn’t even consider the alternate meaning.
 
mdgspencer said:
After a Catholic priest this sign up on the front lawn of his church, the bishop of Buffalo got many phone calls complaining about it, some from other countries, for its apparent promotion of the gay agenda. The bishop said he ordered it taken down as soon as he learned about it. However, the parish priest then said it wasn’t about gay life at all, but was meant to refer to several parish families where children had both a father and a grandfather. However, all the same, this stir remains significant for showing such strong Catholic refusal of gay marriage.
see www.wkbw.com/news/buffalo-catholic-church-ordered-to-remove-message-on-sign
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From their website:

**St. Columba-Brigid R. C. Church

A House of Worship for All People

Our doors are wide open to people from all backgrounds **

The priest is an educated man. He is a compassionate man. He is a Liberal shepherd with a Liberal flock. His explanation does not pass the sniff test.
 
Paganus said:
From their website:

**St. Columba-Brigid R. C. Church

A House of Worship for All People

Our doors are wide open to people from all backgrounds **

The priest is an educated man. He is a compassionate man. He is a Liberal shepherd with a Liberal flock. His explanation does not pass the sniff test.
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Agreed.

How many kids in his parish don’t have grandfathers??? And who exactly is yelling nonstop about the evils of grandfathers being in their grandchildrens’ lives? Is there a big movement in his city where people are marching in the streets complaining about grandfathers?

I agree we should assume in charity the most innocent of explanations, but the explanation has to have some basis in reality and logic. This message was a pro-gay message. Thankfully the bishop ordered it taken down. I would also hope he would have some long conversations with the pastor about exactly what he believes.
 
The implication is that fertility is not necessary for a child to “turn out fine”

In the first place “turn out fine” means nothing. What did the sign really intend to say? The phrase is vague and meaningless. But, ok, a child has two dads will be ok, whatever that means.

You have one problem here…a child cannot even exist who has a dad, and a dad. It’s an absurdity.

Let me see if there is something everyone can agree on…
A child must have a
  1. father
  2. mother
Is this not a basic common sense observation??
Without those two persons, a child cannot even exist. So in light of that, the sign is not only controversial, it is almost morbidly stupid.
Is this the best that can be said on a sign in front of a Catholic Church???

The Catholic Church has edified humanity through faith and reason for centuries, and this vague and insipid sloganeering is the best we can do?
It’s embarrassing.
 
clem456 said:
The implication is that fertility is not necessary for a child to “turn out fine”

In the first place “turn out fine” means nothing. What did the sign really intend to say? The phrase is vague and meaningless. But, ok, a child has two dads will be ok, whatever that means.

You have one problem here…a child cannot even exist who has a dad, and a dad. It’s an absurdity.

Let me see if there is something everyone can agree on…
**A child must have a
  1. father
  2. mother
Is this not a basic common sense observation?? **Without those two persons, a child cannot even exist. So in light of that, the sign is not only controversial, it is almost morbidly stupid.
Is this the best that can be said on a sign in front of a Catholic Church???

The Catholic Church has edified humanity through faith and reason for centuries, and this vague and insipid sloganeering is the best we can do?
It’s embarrassing.
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It is a common sense observation. Yet in some places, merely to make the observation might be considered “hate speech!”
 
JimG said:
It is a common sense observation. Yet in some places, merely to make the observation might be considered “hate speech!”
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Yes it would be judgmental because it observes a universally revealed truth and asks us to accept that it is true. It asks a person to look at what God has revealed, and give assent to it.

Somehow that is excruciatingly painful in our culture.
Complex thought games are concocted to mitigate the invitation to look at God, listen to him, and choose him.

Somehow, if my “internal forum” cannot conform to it, not only am I not culpable for violating a particular truth ( a good discussion can be had on culpability), but the Church is not even allowed to say it!!!

The Church is somehow expected to conform it’s public proclamation to my particular experience.
 
The sign is not only pro-homosexual in its first blush impression to those who see it (who does the priest think he’s kidding), but it is disrespectful to Mary who is totally dismissed by its words.

The good news is that Buffalo seems to have a courageous Bishop 🙂
 
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