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adstrinity
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How are you getting God getting something wrong or being inaccurate?
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Pastor_Jim
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OK. I should have known better than to expect you to answer a question.
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adstrinity
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How should you have known this?
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whiteknite
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Was’nt God that got the Bible wrong, Was Man…
Let’s take a look at the very first words of the book of Genesis. Note very carefully that the Hebrew culture, at the time of this writing, was not monothestic, but rather, polytheistic. Will your priest, minister or preacher tell you that? No. But you can find out for yourself with a simple dictionary.
The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods. What is the first sentence in the Bible?
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1).
Here is Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew (transliterated into the Latin alphabet, of course):
“Bereshith bara elohim,” etc.,
“In-beginning created (the) gods (the) heavens and (the) earth.”
In the same chapter the word “elohim” (gods) is used thirty times., Those gods are the ones who created the ‘universe’ in 6 days.
To clarify, here is the translation of the Hebrew text of Genesis 1. Notice how Jewish and Christian ‘fathers’ don’t bother to tell you what the original text says. They would like you to believe that a single god created everything. But, they messed up big time and actually translated it properly. In plain English, the translation reads ‘let us make man in our image’…
Let’s take a look at the very first words of the book of Genesis. Note very carefully that the Hebrew culture, at the time of this writing, was not monothestic, but rather, polytheistic. Will your priest, minister or preacher tell you that? No. But you can find out for yourself with a simple dictionary.
The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods. What is the first sentence in the Bible?
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1).
Here is Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew (transliterated into the Latin alphabet, of course):
“Bereshith bara elohim,” etc.,
“In-beginning created (the) gods (the) heavens and (the) earth.”
In the same chapter the word “elohim” (gods) is used thirty times., Those gods are the ones who created the ‘universe’ in 6 days.
To clarify, here is the translation of the Hebrew text of Genesis 1. Notice how Jewish and Christian ‘fathers’ don’t bother to tell you what the original text says. They would like you to believe that a single god created everything. But, they messed up big time and actually translated it properly. In plain English, the translation reads ‘let us make man in our image’…
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Pastor_Jim
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So then, you believe that God was not able to protect His word?
That has to be the worst eisegetical abuse of scripture I’ve seen yet.The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods. What is the first sentence in the Bible?
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1).
Here is Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew (transliterated into the Latin alphabet, of course):
“Bereshith bara elohim,” etc.,
“In-beginning created (the) gods (the) heavens and (the) earth.”
In the same chapter the word “elohim” (gods) is used thirty times., Those gods are the ones who created the ‘universe’ in 6 days.
To clarify, here is the translation of the Hebrew text of Genesis 1. Notice how Jewish and Christian ‘fathers’ don’t bother to tell you what the original text says. They would like you to believe that a single god created everything. But, they messed up big time and actually translated it properly. In plain English, the translation reads ‘let us make man in our image’…
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juliamajor
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Gee- whiz- Bible is inerrant when it comes to faith and morals because salvation is what God wants for all people.If your salvation is dependent on how accurate the bible is in history or science -then I really think that you are missing the point.Bible is about SALVATION history- not scientific history or geological science. If our ECF like Augustine thought that salvation was the main point of our creation- (and that’s about1600 yrs ) then who am I to argue with him.Like I’ve said a zillion times- what are the points of the Creation stories- what are they teaching us? Geology?Zoology? Ancient History? Or are the sacred writers trying to teach us about God and His love for us? About human failures and our need for God’s grace? .I wouldn’t read a science book to find about history nor would I read the Bible to find about science
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juliamajor
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Actually’ elohim’ can be used same as the “royal” we or as a collective as a king and his court(angels) . It could also mean( and scholars have doubts about this one) that it could be Yahweh and lesser gods under Him. Read Nahum Sarna’s Commentary on Genesis by JPS .Nobody “hid” these facts- philology and other biblical sciences are not perfect and usage can be lost in the mists of time.Was’nt God that got the Bible wrong, Was Man…
Let’s take a look at the very first words of the book of Genesis. Note very carefully that the Hebrew culture, at the time of this writing, was not monothestic, but rather, polytheistic. Will your priest, minister or preacher tell you that? No. But you can find out for yourself with a simple dictionary.
The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods. What is the first sentence in the Bible?
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1).
Here is Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew (transliterated into the Latin alphabet, of course):
“Bereshith bara elohim,” etc.,
“In-beginning created (the) gods (the) heavens and (the) earth.”
In the same chapter the word “elohim” (gods) is used thirty times., Those gods are the ones who created the ‘universe’ in 6 days.
To clarify, here is the translation of the Hebrew text of Genesis 1. Notice how Jewish and Christian ‘fathers’ don’t bother to tell you what the original text says. They would like you to believe that a single god created everything. But, they messed up big time and actually translated it properly. In plain English, the translation reads ‘let us make man in our image’…
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GeorgiaPeach
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I’m sure Pastor Jim would agree on this point. On another thread Pastor Jim used the words “analogy” and “just a parable” w/r/t scripture that supports Catholic doctrine.
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Pastor_Jim
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Actually, I’ve never claimed that there are any analogies in scripture. To the contrary, I’ve been very consistent in saying that there are no analogies in scripture.
Perhaps you’re confused because I used the phrase “the analogy of scripture”, which does not refer to an analogous comparison of two things, but to a hermeneutic principle that simply means that all of scripture must be interpreted as a whole.
In the future, if you’re going to claim that I said something, I would appreciate it if you would show a source, since I do not trust you to represent my words accurately.
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adstrinity
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Pastor Jim, I still want to know how you should have known better than to expect me to answer a question. I mean, I’ll even give you, though you quoted me answering the question, that I didn’t answer the question, how should YOU have known better than to expect ME to answer a question?
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Strategery
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Are you saying that when you claim someone else has said something, you will show a source, because you are not to be trusted to represent their words accurately?
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Pastor_Jim
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No, I don’t believe I said that.
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Strategery
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Why wouldn’t you? Is that not what you are requesting of those who respond to you?
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Pastor_Jim
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Because I don’t often converse with myself.
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Strategery
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How is that relevant to the question I asked? It’s very simple, please try again.
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Pastor_Jim
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You asked why and I told you why. I’m sorry if that was too tough for you.
Goodbye.
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cecilia97
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Ummm…where’s the problem? We know that there are proven historical errors in the Bible. And we can’t call it a science textbook. Doesn’t mean each and every word of it doesn’t have value and is not inspired.
The Church has said this all along…
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Strategery
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You didn’t tell me why, you stated an irrelevancy that did not address the question. Are you saying that you make a regular practice of answering questions with irrelevancies?
No apologies necessary, although I tend to wonder if that was a sincere apology. Are you saying that you take offense when someone proceeds with this type of dialogue? If that is so, why is it your method of choice? If you were interested in true dialogue, wouldn’t you try a more productive approach?
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BRB
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The Church teaches Bible is INSPIRED. However, not all is to be taken literally. Some text is believed to be allegory… by the ‘powers that be’ those who write the teachings of church, etc].
For example, take story of Jonah and whale. Church believes it an allegorical story. However, they don’t insist the laity accept it thusly. Those who choose, can take it in literal sense.
Now as providence would have it … in late 1800’s a whaler was lost overboard into sea. Shortly thereafter a large 81 ft sperm whale was harpooned and brought aboard ship. As it was being processed for the oil / meat … their missing sailor was discovered in belly of the sea monster. It had been over 24 hrs since the chap had fallen in and been swallowed alive.
The chap was none the worse for his travels. If one takes 3 days … as it was taken for Christ’s 3 days in the Earth [Fri.evening thru Sunday morning] … thats only slighly over 24 hrs. Thus, Jonah could well have survived in the sea beast for a 3 day period too !!!
So … take story of Jonah as literal truth. Human experience has validated it is well within scientific possiblilities.
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Tantum_ergo
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So Pastor Jim: Have you read the relevant passage from the Catechism that I have posted twice, and asked for your response? I see that you have addressed other posts made afterward. May I ask why you have not yet responded to my post with an acknowledgement that you have read it, and to state whether or not it has answered your questions about what the Catholic Church says about the Bible and truth? It would be polite to respond, you know, but right now II really don’t know if you have read the passage at all. . .and it does answer your ‘concern’. You were wondering ‘what part of the Bible the Catholics think God got wrong’. . .and the passage answers that Catholics do not think God got ‘anything’ wrong.
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