Catholic Church Not Fit to Run Schools say Gay Rights Group [British]

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"For the sake of these children and for the community at large which should be protected from the promotion of bigotry in schools, the Catholic Church should be stripped of its educational establishments,” said GAHLA’s [Gay and Lesbian Humanist Association --ed] Mr Broadhead.

“It is appalling that there are gay pupils in these establishments being bullied not only physically but also psychologically by the message they are getting from the Church authorities. Somebody has to speak up for them, and I am pleased that the Government recognises that gay kids are at particular risk in Catholic schools.”
The British Department for Education and Skills will now formally respond to the recommendations of the report.
WARNING: Please note that the original story is in an Irish “gay” magazine. I searched for another source, but the others I found were worse. While I didn’t see any inappropriate images, some parts of the page were obviously blocked by the software I run. This may not be an appropriate click for those who read the forums from work. Think before you click for the full story.
 
This is somewhat amusing. I am sure they would do a much better job themselves.:eek:
 
Admonishment of sinners is considered bigotry? Teaching our children that certain actions are sinful is bigotry?

Nonsense!
 
The article mentioned by Timidity (I will call it GCN, after the website) claims:.
Catholic church-run schools have refused to implement British government guidelines on setting up anti-homophobic bullying policies, invoking anger from gay rights groups and MP’s.
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Reacting to a House of Commons Select Committee report, published today, which shows that the Catholic Church is refusing to tackle homophobic bullying in its schools, Gay and Lesbian Humanist Association (GALHA) secretary George Broadhead said: "We’ve seen homophobia in Catholic circles rising at a terrifying rate over the past few months.”
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But the BBC article about this report doesn’t mention Catholic-run schools. I would think that if the document singled out Catholic schools for non-compliance it would be rather newsworthy. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6496725.stm

We apparently have to take the word of GALHA’s secretary that homophobia in “Catholic circles” “is rising at a terrifying rate” because the GCN article admits that there are no statistics of bullying in schools. Apparently the document calls for the collection of such statistics, but the BBC cites the Association of School and College Leaders, and also unnamed head teachers, that trying to do so would be a bureaucratic headache.

It should be mentioned that the remark of GALHA’s secretary about terrifying homophobia in “Catholic circles” seems to refer to more than schools. I am not sure on what he is basing his remarks, but it seems predicated on an animus which isn’t contained in the official report.

I think the GCN article is about GALHA’s dislike of the Catholic Church, cloaked in a discussion of bullying in Church-run schools.
 
I’ve never heard of ‘GALHA’, :confused: so I doubt they are either powerful or important.

Mike
 
The photo certainly looks to me to be two 10 yr olds tussling.The one on the left seems to be smiling.Maybe I’m biased because we just had a Cub Scout campout this past weekend with my 10 yr old son and I saw alot of the same!
 
A gay political group complaining that the church wont cowtoe to what they want…

:yawn: Wake me when there’s news…

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rdscheirer said:
The photo certainly looks to me to be two 10 yr olds tussling.The one on the left seems to be smiling.Maybe I’m biased because we just had a Cub Scout campout this past weekend with my 10 yr old son and I saw alot of the same!
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The photo wasn’t intended to be a “on the scene news photo…”, rather it just gives “visual context”. In other words, it’s staged, but everyone is supposed to know that.
 
He insisted that the Church had no problems with a person’s sexual orientation, but said “sexual intercourse belongs within marriage.”
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:eek: Did anyone else see this part of the article?
 
Admonishment of sinners is considered bigotry? Teaching our children that certain actions are sinful is bigotry?
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And it’s not even like most of these ten-year olds are self-identified as gay, and certainly not engaging in homosexual acts.

So who exactly is being discriminated against? Because there are no gay “kids”. As soon as they can identify as gay, they are adolescents, not “children”. So using the word “children” is just a propaganda to make people more sympathetic.

Also, the statistics on bullying are extremely ambiguous. “Gay kids get bullied more.” I’ve got a lot of questions about that; Do they mean “kids” who are openly gay? Or are these people, gay and straight, reporting that “gay” is being used as an insult? Or are these people identifying later as gay and in hindsight reporting bullying? Or are they kids in the closet who report more bullying on anonymous surveys? If this latter is the case…what exactly is causing the bullying if they aren’t openly gay? Their effeminacy? But are non-gay effeminate boys being picked on just as much? If so, doesn’t this imply it is not a sexual-orientation issue, but a gender-nonconformity issue? And couldn’t the bullying LEAD to the development of homosexuality as much as it is “caused by” it? I think the statistics are very suspicious.
 
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There shouldn’t be bullying in schools for any reason.
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No one said otherwise. At issue is some lunatic fringe group is trying to say that the mere act of teaching the Catholic faith amounts to bullying.
 
Yes. That’s a reasonably accurate summation of Catholic belief. Do you have a problem with it?
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So homosexuality is ok? If we don’t care about people’s sexual orientation, does that mean we don’t care if people are in homosexual relationships?

Maybe I am missing what this comment is trying to say but this is how I am reading it, “We don’t care if you are in a homosexual relationship, as long as you are married.”

I understand that it is not homosexuals, but the act that is considered a sin. Homosexuals are called to fight their temptations just like anyone else, but does the chruch say it is ok to be in a homosexual relationship as long as they are married?

Correct me if I am wrong, I am a newer Catholic

God bless
 
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So homosexuality is ok? If we don’t care about people’s sexual orientation, does that mean we don’t care if people are in homosexual relationships?
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The Church’s position is nuanced. We do not blame individuals for having homosexual inclinations. Sexual orientation is something we are born with, not something we choose. But homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and sinful. The Church expects that persons with Same Sex Attraction refrain from indulging in homosexual acts.

The Church calls all of us to love and support persons with Same Sex Attraction, encouraging them along the Christian path. They have a heavy cross to bear.
 
The Church expects that persons with Same Sex Attraction refrain from indulging in homosexual acts.
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Dale

Thank you this is what I thought. As I said in my previous post, I know it is not homosexuals, but the act of homosexuality that the Church forbids but do you see what I see in the quote that I posted?
He insisted that the Church had no problems with a person’s sexual orientation, but said “sexual intercourse belongs within marriage.”
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I agree with the part about the church not having problems with a person’s sexual orientation as long as they fight their temptations, but the part following it, about sexual intercourse belonging to marriage, makes it look like this guy is saying that the church is ok with the act of homoseuality as long as it is done with in the marriage, which of course it is not.

God bless
 
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I agree with the part about the church not having problems with a person’s sexual orientation as long as they fight their temptations, but the part following it, about sexual intercourse belonging to marriage, makes it look like this guy is saying that the church is ok with the act of homoseuality as long as it is done with in the marriage, which of course it is not.
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No, he was saying that the church condemns sex outside of marriage, not inclinations.
 
Roman_Catholic said:
but the part following it, about sexual intercourse belonging to marriage, makes it look like this guy is saying that the church is ok with the act of homoseuality as long as it is done with in the marriage, which of course it is not.
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Yes, I can see how it might confuse folks given our culture’s support for homosexual marriage. Of course, the Church is counter-cultural on this issue - it firmly rejects “gay marriage”. Perhaps Archbishop Nichols should have included that statement as well.
 
Trouble is the Catholic Church is not running Catholic schools either – at least not up here in Ontario.

While there are excellent and faithful Catholic school teachers, there are many ‘Catholic’ teachers who do not have a clue what the Church teaches and care even less; they essentially teach whatever they want.

There are ‘Catholic’ parents who attend school meetings and openly and loudly defy Church teaching, then acquire for themselves positions of influence within the Catholic community. They uphold CORPUS, Women’s Ordination Conference, Same Sex Marriage; truly believe themselves to be the only true apologists for the Faith; and effectively marginalize their opposition.

Who is running the Catholic schools? Is anyone in charge or are we headed toward a Vietnam of the Soul?
 
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