Catholic churches shouldn't have statues!

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What is the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament?

In the Old Testament God was invisible. So images of God were images of fish (Dagon) and golden calves and monstrosities.

In the New Testament God came to us in the Incarnation. Jesus is visible, so it is possible to have pictures and statues of Jesus. We know that these statues are not Jesus, just as we know the picture in our wallet isn’t our daughter. We do not worship them.

This is why statues are permitted in our churches and our homes.

The other reason why we can have statues is that God has given the Church the authority to bind and loose, this is why we don’t have to circumcise, refrain from unclean meat, and keep the Sabbath on Saturday.
 
To understand the imprecation against ‘idols’ you have to go back into history, into a time period where “idol” worship was common.
The problem many people have with scripture that it was written in a particular place in history and time in history- this effects the writer’s attitude toward himself, his society, his culture and other societies and cultures.
Let me try to get you to grasp what is being said-the worship of idols, particularly in Egypt- would not be familiar to us.A god would be confined-set apart-surrounded by priests and acolytes, ordinary folks would not be allowed in.There the god would be fed dressed and taken care of physically because the god was believed to reside therein.Once a year the god would be taken out paraded around too be worshipped by the rank and file. Their gods were very much apart from humanity- not terribly concerned with them.Household gods are a different story.
The God of Israel is not set apart, not separated from his people and is intimately connected to them .YHWH wanted His people to be different then the Egyptians then the rest of the surrounding peoples.There are many strictures that divided pagan from Hebrew.
No tatoos, no seething of a goat in it’s mother’s milk,no, cuttings etc.etc.
This was to inculcate into the Israelites that they were different because their God was different- thet were to be a royal priest a holy nation a people set apart. But why? The israelites were to be an example to the world ,to draw the world toward Yhwh , to make YHWH known to the world.(problem is that they kept screwing up).Yhwh cannot be confined, he has no boundaries, unlike pagan gods who were usually tied to a particular place.
Our concepts of statues and images is totally different then the pagans.That’s really the jist of the matter- motive. We don’t seek to own God by way of statues and images,we cannot control Him via an image.WE don’t worship a statue- it is merely a focal point(unlike pagans who actually worshipped a physical object) we don’t believe the god lives in the wood ,metal or paint. Besides there are many drawings on the walls of the catacombs depicting Jesus and other biblical events-they didn’t seem forbidden.Many synagogues in the Hellenistic world( I also believe some in Israel) had painted images of Biblical events.
(Dura Europa) comes to mind…
If you are to go strictly by the commandment that would mean no pictures or images at all- no photo, paintings,no cards-nada. I don’t believe that people would be willing to give up all the great art of the world- that moves and inspires people to look toward God.- for a pagan concept that really doesn’t exist in Western world. We don’t worship images anymore in the west but worship money, power, sex- are those any less worse then idols or are they the new golden calves?
 
How then can you have statues!? I love the statues of the sacred heart of Christ and the images of Mary but the bible says that they shouldn’t have been made! How then can you look at this scipture!?

Do Catholcs just ignore this scripture? 🤷
ZUNDRA no one is advocationg worshiping idols.

Liviticus 26:1 reads "Do not make false gods for yourselves. You shall not erect an idol or a sacred pillar for yourselves, nor shall you set up a stone figure for worship in your land; for I, the LORD, am your God.

Catholics are not doing this. If they do they are wrong. We do not worship the statues you see in the Church, they are art. Would you advocate throwing out any art work that portrays Jesus? Or the saints? What about the cross or a crucifix? The stations of the cross?
No, it is just art, a way of getting into the moment for prayer.

Liviticus 26:1 To adore it. This explains the prohibition of making graven things. The Protestants translate as usual, “Ye shall make you no idols, nor graven image, neither rear ye up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land to bow down unto it.” They seem terribly afraid of images, as if they were all idols.

Exodus 20:4 in context reads - A graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing, &c. All such images or likenesses, are forbidden by this commandment, as are made to be adored and served; according to that which immediately follows, thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them. That is, all such as are designed for idols or image gods, or are worshipped with divine honour. But otherwise images, pictures, or representations, even in the house of God, and in the very sanctuary, so far from being forbidden are expressly authorized by the word of God.

Read the following

Ex 25:18-19 - make two cherubim of beaten gold
Num 21:8-9 - Moses made bronze serpent & put on pole
1Kgs 6:23-29 - temple had engraved cherubim, trees, flowers
1Kgs 7:25-45 - temple had bronze oxen, lions, pomegranates

I hope this helps. 🙂
 
How then can you have statues!? I love the statues of the sacred heart of Christ and the images of Mary but the bible says that they shouldn’t have been made! How then can you look at this scipture!?

Do Catholcs just ignore this scripture? 🤷
Let’s see. First of all, try to read the whole thing in context: the Bible did not have chapter-and-verse divisions when its books were first written, so I think it senseless to just cherry-pick verses out of their original context. Leviticus 25 makes it clear that Moses is commanded to speak “to the sons of Israel” about the Shmita (Sabbatical Year), the Day of Atonement, jubilee years, all the laws concerning them, and slavery.

Only then does chapter 26 (briefly) go on about not erecting images nor worshipping them, keeping the Sabbath, and reverencing the Lord’s sanctuary in return for peace and prosperity, threatening disobedience with punishment:

You must not make for yourselves godlings, nor must you set up for yourselves a carved image nor a sacred pillar; nor must you place a figured stone to bow down on it, for I am YHWH your God. You must keep my Shabbats and revere my sanctuary; I am YHWH.
If you walk in my statutes and keep my commandments, and do them, I will give you rains in their time and the land will give its yield and the tree of the field will give its fruit. And the threshing will reach for you until the vintage, and the vintage will last until the sowing; you will eat your bread to satisfaction, and dwell in your land securely. And I will give peace in the land, and you will lie down and none will make you tremble; I will remove evil beasts from the land, and no sword will pass over your land…

-Leviticus 26:1-6

If we are to keep Leviticus 26:1 then why should we not extend this to verse 2, and while we’re at it, to chapter 25 and the whole book as well? Why don’t we keep Shabbat, offer animal and blood sacrifices, and abstain from unclean foods as well? Again, from the context, Moses is addressing the Israelites:

And YHWH spoke to Mosheh on Mount Sinai, saying, “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'When you enter the land that I am giving you, the land must keep a Shabbat to YHWH…”

-Leviticus 25:1-2

These are the statutes, regulations, and instructions which YHWH gave between Himself and the sons of Israel on Mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

-Leviticus 26:46

You don’t read the Bible as if it’s a newspaper or a random quote generator. As with any ancient work written by people of a different time and culture, you must understand first the context on which things happened in order to understand why things happened like this or that and steep yourself into the culture. As others have pointed out, there is a whole difference between the cultic images of Ancient Near Eastern cultures and Catholic statuary and iconography.

Second, I’d recommend you to read one of St. John of Damascus’ monumental works, Apologia Against Those Who Decry Holy Images. John lived at the time when the Byzantine Emperor, Leo III the Isaurian, issued a series of edicts against the supposed “worship” of images (726-729), sparking the First Iconoclastic Period, which lasted from 730 to 787. He also justified his views by citing Old Testament passages which condemned idolatry. It was at this time that John wrote the work as an apology against the Emperor’s acts.
 
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A few of the arguments that St. John makes (some of them would most likely be familiar to you) are:
  • The commands were given to the Hebrews due to their being susceptible to idolatry and “to avoid superstitious error, to be with God in the knowledge of the truth.” Now, however, we Christians “have passed the stage of infancy, and reached the perfection of manhood. We receive our habit of mind from God, and know what may be imaged and what may not.”
  • At the time when God spoke to the Israelites and gave the commandments, He had no form which could be seen. John rhetorically asks, “How depict the invisible?” He then answers that when the Lord Jesus took our humanity, He who could not be seen was then seen. “When the Invisible One becomes visible to flesh, you may then draw a likeness of His form. When He who is a pure spirit, without form or limit, immeasurable in the boundlessness of His own nature, existing as God, takes upon Himself the form of a servant in substance and in stature, and a body of flesh, then you may draw His likeness, and show it to anyone willing to contemplate it.” All the more since Christ is the image, the ‘icon’ of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15)!
  • To those who said that only the images of Christ and Mary are sufficient, John replies that by complaining thus, one is not disowning images, but the honor of the saints. “You make statues indeed of Christ as of one glorified, whilst you reject the saints as unworthy of honor, and call truth a falsehood. ‘I live,’ says the Lord, ‘and I will glorify those who glorify me.’ (1 Samuel 2:30)” By saying that only Christ should be depicted, one is depriving the heavenly King of His army, composed of the saints.
In one part, John writes:

Answer me this question. Is there only one God? You answer, “Yes, there is only one Law-giver.” Why, then, does He command contrary things? The cherubim are not outside of creation; why, then, does He allow cherubim carved by the hand of man to overshadow the propitiatory? Is it not evident that as it is impossible to make an image of God, who is uncircumscribed and impassible, or of one like to God, creation should not be worshipped as God. He allows the image of the cherubim who are circumscribed, and prostrate in adoration before the divine throne, to be made, and thus prostrate to overshadow the propitiatory. It was fitting that the image of the heavenly choirs should overshadow the divine mysteries. Would you say that the ark and staff and propitiatory were not made? Are they not produced by the hand of man? Are they not due to what you call contemptible matter? What was the tabernacle itself? Was it not an image? Was it not a type and a figure? Hence the holy Apostle’s words concerning the observances of the law, “Who serve unto the example and shadow, of heavenly things.” As it was answered to Moses, when he was to finish the tabernacle: “See” (He says), “that thou make all things according to the pattern which was shown thee on the Mount.” (Heb. 8:5; Ex. 25:40) But the law was not an image. It shrouded the image. In the words of the same Apostle, “the law contains the shadow of the goods to come, not the image of those things.” (Heb. 10:1) For if the law should forbid images, and yet be itself a forerunner of images, what should we say? If the tabernacle was a figure, and the type of a type, why does the law not prohibit image-making? But this is not in the least the case. There is a time for everything. (Ecclesiastes 3:1).

Of old, God the incorporeal and uncircumscribed was never depicted. Now, however, when God is seen clothed in flesh, and conversing with men, (Baruch 3:38) I make an image of the God whom I see. I do not worship matter, I worship the God of matter, who became matter for my sake, and deigned to inhabit matter, who worked out my salvation through matter. I will not cease from honouring that matter which works my salvation. I venerate it, though not as God. How could God be born out of lifeless things? And if God’s body is God by union, it is immutable. The nature of God remains the same as before, the flesh created in time is quickened by a logical and reasoning soul. I honour all matter besides, and venerate it. Through it, filled, as it were, with a divine power and grace, my salvation has come to me. Was not the thrice happy and thrice blessed wood of the Cross matter? Was not the sacred and holy mountain of Calvary matter? What of the life-giving rock, the Holy Sepulchre, the source of our resurrection: was it not matter? Is not the most holy book of the Gospels matter? Is not the blessed table matter which gives us the Bread of Life? Are not the gold and silver matter, out of which crosses and altar-plate and chalices are made? And before all these things, is not the body and blood of our Lord matter? Either do away with the veneration and worship due to all these things, or submit to the tradition of the Church in the worship of images, honouring God and His friends, and following in this the grace of the Holy Spirit. Do not despise matter, for it is not despicable. Nothing is that which God has made. This is the Manichean heresy.
 
Finally, some more quotes:

God charged David to build Him a temple through his son, and to prepare a place of rest. Solomon, in building the temple, made the cherubim, as the book of Kings says. And he encompassed the cherubim with gold, and all the walls in a circle, and he had the cherubim carved, and palms inside and out, in a circle, not from the sides, be it observed. And there were bulls and lions and pomegranates (1 Kings 6:28-29). Is it not more seemly to decorate all the walls of the Lord’s house with holy forms and images rather than with beasts and plants? Where is the law declaring “thou shalt not make any graven image”? But Solomon receiving the gift of wisdom, imaging heaven, made the cherubim, and the likenesses of bulls and lions, which the law forbade. Now if we make a statue of Christ, and likenesses of the saints, does not their being filled with the Holy Ghost increase the piety of our homage? As then the people and the temple were purified in blood and in burnt offerings, (Hebrews 9:13) so now the Blood of Christ giving testimony under Pontius Pilate, (1 Timothy 6:13) and being Himself the first fruits of the martyrs, the Church is built up on the blood of the saints. Then the signs and forms of lifeless animals figured forth the human tabernacle, the martyrs themselves whom they were preparing for God’s abode.

And:

Of old they who did not know God worshipped false gods. But now, knowing God, or rather being known by Him, how can we return to bare and naked rudiments? (Galatians 4:8-9) I have looked upon the human form of God, and my soul has been saved. I gaze upon the image of God, as Jacob did, (Genesis 32:30) though in a different way. Jacob sounded the note of the future, seeing with immaterial sight, whilst the image of Him who is visible to flesh is burnt into my soul. The shadow and winding sheet and relics of the apostles cured sickness, and put demons to flight. (Acts 5:15) How, then, shall not the shadow and the statues of the saints be glorified? Either do away with the worship of all matter, or be not an innovator. Do not disturb the boundaries of centuries, put up by your fathers (Proverbs 22:28).

It is not in writing only that they have bequeathed to us the tradition of the Church, but also in certain unwritten examples. In the twenty-seventh book of his work, in thirty chapters addressed to Amphilochios concerning the Holy Spirit, St. Basil says, “In the cherished teaching and dogmas of the Church, we hold some things by written documents; others we have received in mystery from the apostolical tradition.” Both are of equal value for the soul’s growth. No one will dispute this who has considered even a little the discipline of the Church. For if we neglect unwritten customs, as not having much weight we bury in oblivion the most pertinent facts connected with the Gospel. These are the great Basil’s words. How do we know the Holy place of Calvary, or the Holy Sepulchre? Does it not rest on a tradition handed down from father to son? It is written that our Lord was crucified on Calvary, and buried in a tomb, which Joseph hewed out of the rock (Matthew 27:60); but it is unwritten tradition which identifies these spots, and does more things of the same kind. Whence come the three immersions at baptism, praying with face turned towards the east, and the tradition of the mysteries? Hence St. Paul says, “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which you have learned either by word, or by our epistle.” (II Thessalonians 2:15) As, then, so much has been handed down in the Church, and is observed down to the present day, why disparage images?

If you bring forward certain practices, they do not inculpate our worship of images, but the worship of heathens who make them idols. Because heathens do it foolishly, this is no reason for objecting to our pious practice. If the same magicians and sorcerers use supplication, so does the Church with catechumens; the former invoke devils, but the Church calls upon God against devils. Heathens have raised up images to demons, whom they call gods. Now we have raised them to the one Incarnate God, to His servants and friends, who are proof against the diabolical hosts.

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Accept, therefore, the teaching of Scripture and spiritual writers. If the Scripture does call “the idols of heathens silver and gold, and the works of man’s hand,” (Psalm 135:15) it does not forbid the adoration of inanimate things, or man’s handiwork, but the adoration of demons.

We have seen that prophets worshipped angels, and men, and kings, and the impious, and even a staff. David says, “And you adore His footstool.” (Psalm 99:5) Isaias, speaking in God’s name, says, “The heavens are my throne, and the earth my footstool.” (Isaiah 66:1) Now, it is evident to everyone that the heavens and the earth are created things. Moses, too, and Aaron with all the people adored the work of hands. St. Paul, the golden grasshopper of the Church, says in his Epistle to the Hebrews, “But Christ being come, a high priest of the good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle not made by hand,” that is “not of this creation.” And, again, “For Jesus is not entered into the Holies made by hands, the patterns of the true; but into heaven itself.” (Hebrews 9:11, 24) Thus the former holy things, the tabernacle, and everything within it, were made by hands, and no one denies that they were adored.
 
Easy.
Today’s first reading says this:
“You shall not carve idols for yourselves …
you shall not bow down before them or worship them”

Idol – an image of a god made or used as an object of worship.

that’s how
 
I love potted plants and beautiful wooden pews and nice windows and treatments that you see in many Protestant churches.

My point is God said,
“I am The LORD your GOD, (you forgot this part) 😉 do not have any strange gods BEFORE Me”.

Find me ONE Catholic who puts his or her statues or images before God. Find me one Catholic Church that put their patron Saint before God.

bet you can’t:D
😃 I’m surprised how sweet your post was compared to everyone who is enjoying starting arguments with me…well, check this out; :whacky:

God tells us that we should not sin. Why? Because sin takes us away from him.

I was in church last friday (weekday mass) and after mass I went into our special room for prayer to Mary. I sat down and in no time at all the room filled up with so many people that they had to queue out side and wait for others to finish praying and leave so that they could get in. Well after squeezing my way out I finally managed to exit the room, back into the chapel. When i broke free I went to the room with the sacred heart of christ and I was the only person in there. No one else came, there were only two candles lit in there even though Mary’s room was filled up with lots of candles lit. I stayed there for quite a while kneeling and not a single person came in.

God said do not make statues for your self… I think that this is why;

God tells us that we should not sin. Why? Because sin takes us away from him.

xxx zundrah xxx
 
😃 I’m surprised how sweet your post was compared to everyone who is enjoying starting arguments with me…well, check this out; :whacky:

God tells us that we should not sin. Why? Because sin takes us away from him.

I was in church last friday (weekday mass) and after mass I went into our special room for prayer to Mary. I sat down and in no time at all the room filled up with so many people that they had to queue out side and wait for others to finish praying and leave so that they could get in. Well after squeezing my way out I finally managed to exit the room, back into the chapel. When i broke free I went to the room with the sacred heart of christ and I was the only person in there. No one else came, there were only two candles lit in there even though Mary’s room was filled up with lots of candles lit. I stayed there for quite a while kneeling and not a single person came in.

God said do not make statues for your self… I think that this is why;

God tells us that we should not sin. Why? Because sin takes us away from him.

xxx zundrah xxx
ZUNDRAH, I hope you did not think I was arguing with you, I just wanted to get you some info on the subject. Peace.
 
😃 I’m surprised how sweet your post was compared to everyone who is enjoying starting arguments with me…well, check this out; :whacky:

God tells us that we should not sin. Why? Because sin takes us away from him.

I was in church last friday (weekday mass) and after mass I went into our special room for prayer to Mary. I sat down and in no time at all the room filled up with so many people that they had to queue out side and wait for others to finish praying and leave so that they could get in. Well after squeezing my way out I finally managed to exit the room, back into the chapel. When i broke free I went to the room with the sacred heart of christ and I was the only person in there. No one else came, there were only two candles lit in there even though Mary’s room was filled up with lots of candles lit. I stayed there for quite a while kneeling and not a single person came in.

God said do not make statues for your self… I think that this is why;

God tells us that we should not sin. Why? Because sin takes us away from him.

xxx zundrah xxx
Idols are not just carved idols, it could be money, other people, cars, homes, whatever, and yes sadly it could be The Blessed Mother or a Patron Saint.

But God never said we could not have money, other people, cars and homes. God never forbid us to love Mary and the Saints.

Sin only occurs when a person puts these things above God.

You seem to think people prefer to ask Mary for help? They are not praying to her exactly, but are asking Mary to pray for them. This is in no way is putting Mary above God, quite the opposite, we ask Mary to pray for us, with us, TO God.
 
How then can you have statues!? I love the statues of the sacred heart of Christ and the images of Mary but the bible says that they shouldn’t have been made! How then can you look at this scipture!?

Do Catholcs just ignore this scripture? 🤷
No, but your statement shows how one should not be interpretationing Holy Scipture on thier own.

Numbers 21:8 “And the Lord said to him: Make brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: whosoever being struck shall look on it, shall live.” God told Moses to make a statue.
 
Everyone, ignore this man, Zundrah.

His purpose here is to disprove Catholicism with tired arguments that we’ve all heard before. Go back and read his previous posts. He’s been in R.C.I.A. for a long time it seems and has rejected most of what he has learned. He makes no effort to reconcile Church teaching with his personal prejudices. He is not interested in learning as much as he is trying to get us to see things his way. Don’t waste your time and effort on him.

A shepherd must tend his flock and, at times, fight off the wolves.
 
Now, now, I think Zundrah is seriously trying to learn. I didn’t realize he (or she?) had been in RCIA for all that long. Don’t always assume the worst. It’s understandable for converts to hit road blocks at times, and we should try and answer their concerns, either way. That is tending the flock. And we fight off the wolves by answering their objections, and disproving them.
 
=Zundrah;5482035]How then can you have statues!? I love the statues of the sacred heart of Christ and the images of Mary but the bible says that they shouldn’t have been made! How then can you look at this scipture!?
Do Catholcs just ignore this scripture? 🤷
***Thanks for asking friend:D

Do you have any family photos in your billfold or on the wall at home? Why do people do this ? As a reminder of loved ones:thumbsup:***

Do you read the bible? have you read Exodus Chapter 25? Yahweh God telling Moses how to build “The ark of the Covenant.”

10 "They shall make an ark of acacia wood; two cubits and a half shall be its length, a cubit and a half its breadth, and a cubit and a half its height. (Picture) And you shall overlay it with pure gold, within and without shall you overlay it, and you shall make upon it a molding of gold round about. And you shall cast four rings of gold for it and put them on its four feet, two rings on the one side of it, and two rings on the other side of it.You shall make poles of acacia wood, and overlay them with gold. And you shall put the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark, to carry the ark by them.The poles shall remain in the rings of the ark; they shall not be taken from it. And you shall put into the ark the testimony which I shall give you. Then you shall make a mercy seat of pure gold; two cubits and a half shall be its length, and a cubit and a half its breadth. 18 And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. 19 Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece with the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. 20 The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be*.
Didn’t God himself make “statues”? Hmmmmmm 🤷

They are NOT idols they are reminders to pray THROUGH [and to] the Saints to plead our cause before the throne of God in which they stand on our behalf.
 
How then can you have statues!? I love the statues of the sacred heart of Christ and the images of Mary but the bible says that they shouldn’t have been made! How then can you look at this scipture!?

Do Catholcs just ignore this scripture? 🤷
You have to understand the mindset of the ancient Hebrews. They did have statuary. There were statues of cherubim above the ark of the covenant, there were statues of cherubim on either side of the ark of the covenant, there was raised imagery on the walls of the temple, and there were embroideried images on the curtains of the tent of meeting and the veil in the temple.

I suggest you read the history of the iconoclasts, the writings of St. John Damascene, and the Seventh Ecumenical Council – the issue was hotly debated in the early Church and ultimately decided in favor of allowing statues.
 
You have to understand the mindset of the ancient Hebrews. They did have statuary. There were statues of cherubim above the ark of the covenant, there were statues of cherubim on either side of the ark of the covenant, there was raised imagery on the walls of the temple, and there were embroideried images on the curtains of the tent of meeting and the veil in the temple.

I suggest you read the history of the iconoclasts, the writings of St. John Damascene, and the Seventh Ecumenical Council – the issue was hotly debated in the early Church and ultimately decided in favor of allowing statues.
If it were possible for you to bo back and time to Jerusalem, centuries before the time of Christ, and you were seen kneeling in front of a statue, say of an angel and praying to that angel. Do you think they would understand what you were doing or would they think you were guilty of idolatry?
 
If it were possible for you to bo back and time to Jerusalem, centuries before the time of Christ, and you were seen kneeling in front of a statue, say of an angel and praying to that angel. Do you think they would understand what you were doing or would they think you were guilty of idolatry?
Hmm… are you saying this issue should be treated in the way recommended for
eating meat sacrifice to idols? Romans 14:12-23. Should we not do it if it offends
someone’s faith, or else we would become a stumbling block for them?
 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we should still be sacrificing sheep, cattle and turtledoves.

Do you get the point?
No, I don’t get the point. All 10 commandments were confirmed by Jesus and the apostles either explicitly or by example in the New Testament. The Ten Commandments are necessary for true Christian living.

A few verses in regards to idolatry:

1 John 5:21 (New International Version)
“Dear children, keep yourselves from idols”

1 Corinthians 6:9 (New International Version)
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

1 Corinthians 10:7 (New International Version)
Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry.”
 
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